Doctors as terrorists

More on the physician-terrorist link in the UK:

But have you ever considered the reality that in order to do good; or to help people in physical pain, that you must sometimes (actually often) cause them even greater pain for a time? That, if you are a surgeon, you must find some enjoyment (or at least be able not to get sick) slicig people open or debriding wounds and mucking around in them? Even those of us who are psychiatrists must often lead the unsuspecting patient to experience (and hopefully to resolve) all the unbearable psychological pain that his psychological defenses have been mobilized to ward off.

This aspect of medicine is not talked about much, but it is very real nonetheless. The physician’s own cruel and sadistic impulses are never far below the surface.

(via Instapundit)

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  • Anonymous

    Jihad, MD!

  • The Independent Urologist


  • Anonymous

    I think the link is simply that both the medical profession and radical cults have an attraction for those who think too much, take things too seriously, and don’t know how to have fun.

    Just another psychiatrist’s non-professional opinion.

  • Anonymous

    I think that the fact of the matter is that physician terrorists have easy access to visas and a legal way to enter target countries. Time to shut this down and take care of our own.

  • Anonymous

    Yes. Well… In order to do that we would have to reverse some of the more anti-competitive and onerous portions of the implementations of the Flexner Report. Asking for that to happen and expecting a response from the existing allopathic power brokers would be like asking the typical Jihadist to denounce Allah.

  • Anonymous

    Flexner was al Qaeda? Who’d a thunk it?

  • Roy


  • Anonymous

    We are already in a post-Flexnerian age. The provision of medical service is a market niche open to multiple professions, not just allopathic medicine. Some specific services, such as surgical specialties are effectively restricted, but the bulk of professional services are of the sort provided by NP’s, PA’s, naturopaths, chiropractors, psychologists, optometrists, “therapists” of all sorts. Each wave of new, lessor trained practitioners getting a foothold leads to a newer even less trained group below them lobbying for a toehold. It resembles the pre-Flexnerian age more and more. In the provision of basic outpatient doctoring, all the MD’s control is who can call themselves “MD”. The new groups are more and more controlling their own scope of practice directly without input from the medical profession. They have discovered that it is much easier and cheaper to buy off state legislatures and declare themselves competent and qualified than to achieve that through the hard work of medical school.

    The “existing allopathic power brokers” have long been a shadow. We need to exercise more, not less control. The medical professon has survived for thousands of years and me should work harder to maintain quality over quantity for it will be around long after society moves beyond it’s current explicit decision to remove the monopoly that allopathic medicine held on provision of healthcare. Our survival is dependent on the monopoly as it survived mellinia without it, it is dependent on our ethics and our professionalism. I care not a whit where the fool next door goes when he is ill, as long as I can practice my craft with the integrity and quality that only professional autonomy can provide. It isn’t monopoly that we need to defend but autonomy.

  • Anonymous


    Very well said

  • Anonymous

    Ditto. What tends to happen is that many nonallopaths skim the cream, often overtesting to make sure they are not missing something while lining their pockets. When the going gets tough, they refer these patients. By the time the patient gets to me, I am often seeing a patient with no problem at all who is now convinced they have a problem after the nonallopath told them so, and/or a patient who now has to be run though another battery of tests as the best tests or proper tests have not been done. This does not reduce the cost of health care. FYI there are companies who specialize in marketing their low cost diagnostic equipment to nonallopaths as MD’s prefer the better equipment that costs more.

    The best model is a vertically integrated model with nonallopaths employed at the same practice as the MD’s to reduce unnecessary utilization and facilitate patient care. Most practices and hospitals already do this. It is the independent nonallopathic practices that are a problem, not the practitioners per se.

  • Anonymous

    In reference to the original topic, a few physicians have long been knowm to be involved with terrorism in certain parts of the world , including Osama bin Laden’s right hand man, as reported by CNN:

    “(CNN) — Ayman al-Zawahiri emerged from a privileged upbringing in Egypt to become one of the world’s most wanted terrorists.

    The bespectacled 52-year-old surgeon formally merged his group, Egyptian Islamic Jihad, with al Qaeda in 1998, becoming leader Osama bin Laden’s personal physician and closest confidant.”

    Physicians have passionate and strong personas and tend to be idealists. Of course the bulk are not terrorists, but from Howard Dean to Bill Frist to Che Guevera to the President of Syria they are passionate in their beliefs. What would be more enlightening is to gain an understanding of the rationale for their beliefs; then we might cure the ills.

  • Anonymous

    Anon 8:38

    You missed the point, my friend. My post was in the response that was to that of anon 11:03 pm. We import foreign trained allopaths simply because we are not training enough of our own (a result of the implementation findings of Flexner). Cutting back on the number of foreign trained providers would require an increase in the number trained domestically just to maintain the meager number that is currently being produced.

  • Anonymous

    You’re starting to see the number of medical school slots open up again.

    MD and DO.

    It’ll take a few years yet, to see the effect.

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