<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Use of the on-call physician</title> <atom:link href="http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/use-of-on-call-physician.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/use-of-on-call-physician.html</link> <description></description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:18:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: Mike</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/use-of-on-call-physician.html#comment-76365</link> <dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 01:38:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/06/use-of-the-on-call-physician.html#comment-76365</guid> <description>scalpel, is it too much to ask you wait 3 hours until 6 AM? At least then my son has already woken me up.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>scalpel, is it too much to ask you wait 3 hours until 6 AM? At least then my son has already woken me up.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/use-of-on-call-physician.html#comment-76329</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 14:59:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/06/use-of-the-on-call-physician.html#comment-76329</guid> <description>Scalpel&lt;br/&gt;Thanks for reminding me why I could never work in an ER. 50% of what you do is little more than CYA. You wonder why the rep of many ER docs is little more than triage nurse?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scalpel<br />Thanks for reminding me why I could never work in an ER. 50% of what you do is little more than CYA. You wonder why the rep of many ER docs is little more than triage nurse?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Happyman</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/use-of-on-call-physician.html#comment-76297</link> <dc:creator>Happyman</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 11:45:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/06/use-of-the-on-call-physician.html#comment-76297</guid> <description>&quot;when your patient cries to you about the mean ER doc not admitting them, you can&#039;t weasel out and throw it back at me&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I NEVER downtalk another doctor to my patients, even though these days patients often ask for validation that another doctor they saw treated them poorly.  This is bad practice &amp; only hurts everybody.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I explain to patients that it often isn&#039;t necessary to be &quot;notified&quot; of a slightly elevated INR at 3am if the PATIENT takes some responsibility and follows up as instructed.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Remember, working in the ER means doing a shift and then it&#039;s over, whereas the primary might get woken up on a tuesday night 3 times in the middle of the night, only to have a regular work day the next day.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sometimes, the ball needs to be in the PATIENT&#039;S court. The prevailing mentality otherwise nowadays is pitting doctor against doctor, and unduly validates the lack of personal responsibility among patients, &amp; ultimately hurts doctors &amp; patients alike by ruining access.  That, in turn, overcrowds ERs!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;when your patient cries to you about the mean ER doc not admitting them, you can&#8217;t weasel out and throw it back at me&#8221;</p><p>I NEVER downtalk another doctor to my patients, even though these days patients often ask for validation that another doctor they saw treated them poorly.  This is bad practice &#038; only hurts everybody.</p><p>I explain to patients that it often isn&#8217;t necessary to be &#8220;notified&#8221; of a slightly elevated INR at 3am if the PATIENT takes some responsibility and follows up as instructed.</p><p>Remember, working in the ER means doing a shift and then it&#8217;s over, whereas the primary might get woken up on a tuesday night 3 times in the middle of the night, only to have a regular work day the next day.</p><p>Sometimes, the ball needs to be in the PATIENT&#8217;S court. The prevailing mentality otherwise nowadays is pitting doctor against doctor, and unduly validates the lack of personal responsibility among patients, &#038; ultimately hurts doctors &#038; patients alike by ruining access.  That, in turn, overcrowds ERs!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: scalpel</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/use-of-on-call-physician.html#comment-76278</link> <dc:creator>scalpel</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 01:10:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/06/use-of-the-on-call-physician.html#comment-76278</guid> <description>I have no problem calling anybody at anytime for anything. If I&#039;m up all night seeing your patients while you&#039;re asleep snuggling with your significant other, the least you can do is wake up and call me back so I can put your name on the chart as &quot;Dr. Soandso notified.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That way, when your patient cries to you about the mean ER doc not admitting them, you can&#039;t weasel out and throw it back at me by claiming that you weren&#039;t notified. Or if they have a spot on their chest x ray or an INR that&#039;s a bit high, and they decide not to follow up as I recommended, the ball is in your court.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Get it?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no problem calling anybody at anytime for anything. If I&#8217;m up all night seeing your patients while you&#8217;re asleep snuggling with your significant other, the least you can do is wake up and call me back so I can put your name on the chart as &#8220;Dr. Soandso notified.&#8221;</p><p>That way, when your patient cries to you about the mean ER doc not admitting them, you can&#8217;t weasel out and throw it back at me by claiming that you weren&#8217;t notified. Or if they have a spot on their chest x ray or an INR that&#8217;s a bit high, and they decide not to follow up as I recommended, the ball is in your court.</p><p>Get it?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Happyman</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/use-of-on-call-physician.html#comment-76276</link> <dc:creator>Happyman</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 00:55:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/06/use-of-the-on-call-physician.html#comment-76276</guid> <description>anon 7:31 - &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;THANK YOU!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anon 7:31 &#8211;</p><p>THANK YOU!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/use-of-on-call-physician.html#comment-76275</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 00:31:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/06/use-of-the-on-call-physician.html#comment-76275</guid> <description>When I was a doc doing my military time I got a call 0530 sunday morning from a dude wanting to know his cholesterol results. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;From that day I decided I would never have an office practice and went into an ER residency.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Now I try and guard the PCP/specialist&#039;s sleep unless it is a true emergency.  No, your doctor is not going to be here at 3am.  No, I will not call him.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was a doc doing my military time I got a call 0530 sunday morning from a dude wanting to know his cholesterol results.</p><p>From that day I decided I would never have an office practice and went into an ER residency.</p><p>Now I try and guard the PCP/specialist&#8217;s sleep unless it is a true emergency.  No, your doctor is not going to be here at 3am.  No, I will not call him.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/use-of-on-call-physician.html#comment-76272</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 23:28:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/06/use-of-the-on-call-physician.html#comment-76272</guid> <description>This is one of the huge changes in medical practice over the last 20 years.  In the 80&#039;s, I never got inappropriate after hours calls.  Most were unnecessary from my perspective but the patient didn&#039;t have the knowledge base to know that until they talked to me.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;By 2000, it was unbearable.  I think the big HMO contract and moving from solo to a big clinic were a large part of it.  I got calls in the middle of the night to schedule appointments.  I got calls after hours asking me to reconsider long-term therapy of chronic conditions--and got shocked responses when I pointed out that I was at home (or church, or shopping) and didn&#039;t have their chart in front of me and so could not possible address such a thing.  Refill requests began to flow in at all hours--and often when previous Rx were still valid and active.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I no longer take call.  I will never take call for an institution again.  Maybe if I go solo, where I can anticipate some mutual consideration (or maybe not--my state board doesn&#039;t require it).  But is clear that if you are part of an institution, you are expected to be 100% all the time just like the water that comes out of the faucet--you are not respected as a human being who just happens to have a calling and a profession, but still a human who deserves consideration and respect of your person.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of the huge changes in medical practice over the last 20 years.  In the 80&#8242;s, I never got inappropriate after hours calls.  Most were unnecessary from my perspective but the patient didn&#8217;t have the knowledge base to know that until they talked to me.</p><p>By 2000, it was unbearable.  I think the big HMO contract and moving from solo to a big clinic were a large part of it.  I got calls in the middle of the night to schedule appointments.  I got calls after hours asking me to reconsider long-term therapy of chronic conditions&#8211;and got shocked responses when I pointed out that I was at home (or church, or shopping) and didn&#8217;t have their chart in front of me and so could not possible address such a thing.  Refill requests began to flow in at all hours&#8211;and often when previous Rx were still valid and active.</p><p>I no longer take call.  I will never take call for an institution again.  Maybe if I go solo, where I can anticipate some mutual consideration (or maybe not&#8211;my state board doesn&#8217;t require it).  But is clear that if you are part of an institution, you are expected to be 100% all the time just like the water that comes out of the faucet&#8211;you are not respected as a human being who just happens to have a calling and a profession, but still a human who deserves consideration and respect of your person.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Happyman</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/use-of-on-call-physician.html#comment-76271</link> <dc:creator>Happyman</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 23:25:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/06/use-of-the-on-call-physician.html#comment-76271</guid> <description>I don&#039;t know if this is feasible, but I think a system where a credit card # is obtained by the answering svc &amp; charged by the minute would be appropriate. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;After all, as many non-medical bloggers on these sites would say, &quot;being a doctor is just another job, nothing more, nothing less&quot; and one should be compensated adequately for their time, just like e.g. lawyers.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think about $75 per fifteen minutes would be appropriate.  That&#039;d certainly cut down on bogus calls in the middle of the night.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if this is feasible, but I think a system where a credit card # is obtained by the answering svc &#038; charged by the minute would be appropriate.</p><p>After all, as many non-medical bloggers on these sites would say, &#8220;being a doctor is just another job, nothing more, nothing less&#8221; and one should be compensated adequately for their time, just like e.g. lawyers.</p><p>I think about $75 per fifteen minutes would be appropriate.  That&#8217;d certainly cut down on bogus calls in the middle of the night.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Rich, MD</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/use-of-on-call-physician.html#comment-76266</link> <dc:creator>Rich, MD</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 22:19:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/06/use-of-the-on-call-physician.html#comment-76266</guid> <description>The HMOs do not provide any screening or call center for me, and if they did, the patient would still dial my number. I have an answering service, but that is staffed by operators.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I once had a patient call me around 1AM, with some complaint (I can&#039;t remember what) asking if I could call something into the pharmacy so he could pick it up in the morning.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The HMOs do not provide any screening or call center for me, and if they did, the patient would still dial my number. I have an answering service, but that is staffed by operators.</p><p>I once had a patient call me around 1AM, with some complaint (I can&#8217;t remember what) asking if I could call something into the pharmacy so he could pick it up in the morning.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: KoKo</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/use-of-on-call-physician.html#comment-76253</link> <dc:creator>KoKo</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:49:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/06/use-of-the-on-call-physician.html#comment-76253</guid> <description>Most Clinics/HMOas etc will screen the calls and then relay them to the oncall Doc.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Most patients don&#039;t know what&lt;br/&gt;&quot;urgent&quot; means and sometimes will call, when they shouldn&#039;t and other times, will wait, until it&#039;s too late.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most Clinics/HMOas etc will screen the calls and then relay them to the oncall Doc.</p><p>Most patients don&#8217;t know what<br />&#8220;urgent&#8221; means and sometimes will call, when they shouldn&#8217;t and other times, will wait, until it&#8217;s too late.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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