Comments on: Sicko and hail-Mary medicine http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/sicko-and-hail-mary-medicine.html medical blog Sat, 20 Mar 2010 17:01:49 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Anonymous http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/sicko-and-hail-mary-medicine.html/comment-page-1#comment-76613 Anonymous Sun, 24 Jun 2007 16:38:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/06/sicko-and-hail-mary-medicine.html#comment-76613 Elliot:<br/>There are no non-experimental bone marrow treatment for renal cell cancer. Research with breast cancer/other solid tumors and bone marrow transplants in the 90's did not pan out. Are you saying that the government/health plans should pay for every non-evidence based therapy out there? We will quickly empty the coffers and this totally goes against the idea of NHS (ie rationed but universal) care. You can't have your cake and eat it too. The simple fact is if there is a single-payer/NHS/universal system, then there will be increased rationing. There will be less labor intensive/expensive procedures/therapies (ie bone-marrows, CABG's, long-term dialysis in the elderly, etc). Your pie in the sky mentality may not believe these words but that is the truth from someone who works in the field and his worked with European docs for many years. Though I have always enjoyed Micheal Moore's movies. In every movie (going back to Roger and Me), I have seen how he has played fast and inaccurately with the facts. I have never thought two wrongs make a right. Do you? Elliot:
There are no non-experimental bone marrow treatment for renal cell cancer. Research with breast cancer/other solid tumors and bone marrow transplants in the 90’s did not pan out. Are you saying that the government/health plans should pay for every non-evidence based therapy out there? We will quickly empty the coffers and this totally goes against the idea of NHS (ie rationed but universal) care. You can’t have your cake and eat it too. The simple fact is if there is a single-payer/NHS/universal system, then there will be increased rationing. There will be less labor intensive/expensive procedures/therapies (ie bone-marrows, CABG’s, long-term dialysis in the elderly, etc). Your pie in the sky mentality may not believe these words but that is the truth from someone who works in the field and his worked with European docs for many years. Though I have always enjoyed Micheal Moore’s movies. In every movie (going back to Roger and Me), I have seen how he has played fast and inaccurately with the facts. I have never thought two wrongs make a right. Do you?

]]> By: Elliott http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/sicko-and-hail-mary-medicine.html/comment-page-1#comment-76552 Elliott Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:34:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/06/sicko-and-hail-mary-medicine.html#comment-76552 Oh what hypocrites you all are. All this high dudgeon about Michael Moore when Kevin Pho, David Catron, Arnold Kling and many others admired here at this blog have posted inaccuracies, incomplete truths, and outright lies numerous times. Oh what hypocrites you all are. All this high dudgeon about Michael Moore when Kevin Pho, David Catron, Arnold Kling and many others admired here at this blog have posted inaccuracies, incomplete truths, and outright lies numerous times.

]]> By: Realitology http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/sicko-and-hail-mary-medicine.html/comment-page-1#comment-76527 Realitology Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:26:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/06/sicko-and-hail-mary-medicine.html#comment-76527 I'd never accuse Michael Moore of being particularly concerned about accuracy. I've seen several of his movies and know that he does pay loose with the truth sometimes. I've always seen his movies as part comedy, part cynicism, and part reality. <br/><br/>Misleading people is stupid and (obviously) dishonest. At the very least his movies bring important topics into the public dialog.<br/><br/>Personally I find him really annoying and arrogant but if his new movie sicko can help spur some badly needed changes in healthcare then more power to him! I’d never accuse Michael Moore of being particularly concerned about accuracy. I’ve seen several of his movies and know that he does pay loose with the truth sometimes. I’ve always seen his movies as part comedy, part cynicism, and part reality.

Misleading people is stupid and (obviously) dishonest. At the very least his movies bring important topics into the public dialog.

Personally I find him really annoying and arrogant but if his new movie sicko can help spur some badly needed changes in healthcare then more power to him!

]]> By: bcwrites http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/sicko-and-hail-mary-medicine.html/comment-page-1#comment-76521 bcwrites Thu, 21 Jun 2007 21:02:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/06/sicko-and-hail-mary-medicine.html#comment-76521 And now check this: Moore has backed out of a debate on health care with Tom Delay.<br/><br/>http://www.tomdelay.com/home/2007/6/21/sicko-is-scared-o.html<br/><br/>Chicken. And now check this: Moore has backed out of a debate on health care with Tom Delay.

http://www.tomdelay.com/home/2007/6/21/sicko-is-scared-o.html

Chicken.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/sicko-and-hail-mary-medicine.html/comment-page-1#comment-76517 Anonymous Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:47:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/06/sicko-and-hail-mary-medicine.html#comment-76517 gee. i wonder if michael moore cares enough about medicine to try to be a real doctor and apply to medical school and go thru what the rest of us do. maybe then he coudl really change the system from within. but hes not that type. hes disruptive and wants to run to the press and make a big scene. if this guy really wanted to help people , he would pursue an educational degree. but i dont think that mr moore has the interest in real accomplishment. gee. i wonder if michael moore cares enough about medicine to try to be a real doctor and apply to medical school and go thru what the rest of us do. maybe then he coudl really change the system from within. but hes not that type. hes disruptive and wants to run to the press and make a big scene. if this guy really wanted to help people , he would pursue an educational degree. but i dont think that mr moore has the interest in real accomplishment.

]]> By: Matthew http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/sicko-and-hail-mary-medicine.html/comment-page-1#comment-76500 Matthew Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:51:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/06/sicko-and-hail-mary-medicine.html#comment-76500 So is Michael Moore. But that doesn't stop him from intentionally misleading gullible people.<br/><br/>Sad, but true. So is Michael Moore. But that doesn’t stop him from intentionally misleading gullible people.

Sad, but true.

]]> By: The Independent Urologist http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/sicko-and-hail-mary-medicine.html/comment-page-1#comment-76494 The Independent Urologist Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:19:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/06/sicko-and-hail-mary-medicine.html#comment-76494 I am unaware of any non-investigational bone marrow therapies for advanced renal cell or transitional cell kidney cancer. I am unaware of any non-investigational bone marrow therapies for advanced renal cell or transitional cell kidney cancer.

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