<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Pennsylvania trapping physicians</title> <atom:link href="http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/pennsylvania-trapping-physicians.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/pennsylvania-trapping-physicians.html</link> <description></description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:39:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/pennsylvania-trapping-physicians.html#comment-76114</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 02:19:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/06/pennsylvania-trapping-physicians.html#comment-76114</guid> <description>Re:  Forbes:  &quot;Remember, too, that these are mean salaries and that they give no indication of how distant the outliers at either end of the salary scale for any occupation might be. There are plenty of lawyers that earn a lot more than the average $113,660, and surely there are dishwashers who earn a lot less than $16,190.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The total compensation of the best-paid (salary and bonus excluding stock options) chief executive on our most recent CEO Compensation list, Bob R. Simpson of XTO Energy, was $32.2 million last year, 223 times as much as the average chief executive. And then there was Apple&#039;s Steven P. Jobs, who earned a nominal $1 salary — but, thanks to stock options, earned $646.6 million last year.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Trust me that most of my friends of similar pedigree in business or law are doing better than I and are much more adept at minimizing taxes and receiving non-cash compensation.  The story of the $1 salary above says it all. And who cares what your earned income is when half of that goes to the government?  Wealth is not largely acquired from salary and regular wages.  Earning money taxable at marginal rates is a paupers play and business execs know it.  Smart people have low salaries and large options or deferred compensation schemes with lots of perks.  Why doesn&#039;t someone normalize salaries to a 40 hour workweek with time and a half for overtime?  Then physicians would probably be shown to make the 60 or 75k they really earn.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re:  Forbes:  &#8220;Remember, too, that these are mean salaries and that they give no indication of how distant the outliers at either end of the salary scale for any occupation might be. There are plenty of lawyers that earn a lot more than the average $113,660, and surely there are dishwashers who earn a lot less than $16,190.</p><p>The total compensation of the best-paid (salary and bonus excluding stock options) chief executive on our most recent CEO Compensation list, Bob R. Simpson of XTO Energy, was $32.2 million last year, 223 times as much as the average chief executive. And then there was Apple&#8217;s Steven P. Jobs, who earned a nominal $1 salary — but, thanks to stock options, earned $646.6 million last year.&#8221;</p><p>Trust me that most of my friends of similar pedigree in business or law are doing better than I and are much more adept at minimizing taxes and receiving non-cash compensation.  The story of the $1 salary above says it all. And who cares what your earned income is when half of that goes to the government?  Wealth is not largely acquired from salary and regular wages.  Earning money taxable at marginal rates is a paupers play and business execs know it.  Smart people have low salaries and large options or deferred compensation schemes with lots of perks.  Why doesn&#8217;t someone normalize salaries to a 40 hour workweek with time and a half for overtime?  Then physicians would probably be shown to make the 60 or 75k they really earn.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Matthew</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/pennsylvania-trapping-physicians.html#comment-76101</link> <dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 21:12:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/06/pennsylvania-trapping-physicians.html#comment-76101</guid> <description>I don&#039;t see offering incentives as a &quot;trap&quot;.  As long as this isn&#039;t mandatory and coerced, I don&#039;t see the problem.  Now, it may not be nearly enough to solve the problem, but using the word &quot;trap&quot; seems a bit alarmist.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see offering incentives as a &#8220;trap&#8221;.  As long as this isn&#8217;t mandatory and coerced, I don&#8217;t see the problem.  Now, it may not be nearly enough to solve the problem, but using the word &#8220;trap&#8221; seems a bit alarmist.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/pennsylvania-trapping-physicians.html#comment-76072</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 04:07:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/06/pennsylvania-trapping-physicians.html#comment-76072</guid> <description>This is why providers make the money that they do:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;According to Hyatt and Stockton (p. 8), Flexner sought to shrink the number of medical schools in the USA to 31, and to cut the annual number of medical graduates from 4400 to 2000. A majority of American institutions granting M.D. or D.O. degrees as of the date of the Report (1910) closed within 2-3 decades. (No Canadian medical school was deemed inadequate, and none closed or merged subsequent to the Report.) In 1904, there were 160 M.D. granting institutions with more than 28000 students. By 1920, there were only 85 M.D. granting institution, educating only 13,800 students. By 1935, there were only 66 medical schools operating in the USA.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Between 1910 and 1935, more than half of all American medical schools merged or closed. This dramatic decline was in some part due to the implementation of the Report&#039;s recommendation that all &quot;proprietary&quot; schools be closed, and that medical schools should henceforth all be connected to universities. Of the 66 surviving M.D. granting institutions in 1935, 57 were part of a university. An important factor driving the mergers and closures of medical schools was that all state medical boards gradually adopted and enforced the Report&#039;s recommendations.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Killing the supply of those that can legally perform the services.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why providers make the money that they do:</p><p>&#8220;According to Hyatt and Stockton (p. 8), Flexner sought to shrink the number of medical schools in the USA to 31, and to cut the annual number of medical graduates from 4400 to 2000. A majority of American institutions granting M.D. or D.O. degrees as of the date of the Report (1910) closed within 2-3 decades. (No Canadian medical school was deemed inadequate, and none closed or merged subsequent to the Report.) In 1904, there were 160 M.D. granting institutions with more than 28000 students. By 1920, there were only 85 M.D. granting institution, educating only 13,800 students. By 1935, there were only 66 medical schools operating in the USA.</p><p>Between 1910 and 1935, more than half of all American medical schools merged or closed. This dramatic decline was in some part due to the implementation of the Report&#8217;s recommendation that all &#8220;proprietary&#8221; schools be closed, and that medical schools should henceforth all be connected to universities. Of the 66 surviving M.D. granting institutions in 1935, 57 were part of a university. An important factor driving the mergers and closures of medical schools was that all state medical boards gradually adopted and enforced the Report&#8217;s recommendations.&#8221;</p><p>Killing the supply of those that can legally perform the services.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/pennsylvania-trapping-physicians.html#comment-76071</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 03:48:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/06/pennsylvania-trapping-physicians.html#comment-76071</guid> <description>Who &quot;ginned&quot; up the list?  Try Forbes.  As far as the &quot;the opportunity cost of extra education and training, the unaccounted-for costs of longer hours spent at labor in training (80 hour workweek-years counted as any other work-year) and the unaccounted-for after hours work&quot; goes... the blame lies solely with the predecessors of todays providers.  The &quot;Harvard Medical Model&quot; is yet another resultant of the Flexner Report.  To impose the above-mentioned items on the profession through &quot;your&quot; own hands and then to claim that they justify the current compensation rates is disingenuous.    Please don&#039;t ask the rest of society to support the choices that the profession has made for itself.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who &#8220;ginned&#8221; up the list?  Try Forbes.  As far as the &#8220;the opportunity cost of extra education and training, the unaccounted-for costs of longer hours spent at labor in training (80 hour workweek-years counted as any other work-year) and the unaccounted-for after hours work&#8221; goes&#8230; the blame lies solely with the predecessors of todays providers.  The &#8220;Harvard Medical Model&#8221; is yet another resultant of the Flexner Report.  To impose the above-mentioned items on the profession through &#8220;your&#8221; own hands and then to claim that they justify the current compensation rates is disingenuous.    Please don&#8217;t ask the rest of society to support the choices that the profession has made for itself.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/pennsylvania-trapping-physicians.html#comment-76068</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 03:16:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/06/pennsylvania-trapping-physicians.html#comment-76068</guid> <description>Even given all those factors, being a physician ranks as the most lucrative profession in the world.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You don&#039;t think lawyers and engineers have student loans?  Don&#039;t have after hours non-billable work?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even given all those factors, being a physician ranks as the most lucrative profession in the world.</p><p>You don&#8217;t think lawyers and engineers have student loans?  Don&#8217;t have after hours non-billable work?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/pennsylvania-trapping-physicians.html#comment-76067</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 03:08:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/06/pennsylvania-trapping-physicians.html#comment-76067</guid> <description>Anon. 9:24, you are making a glib and dishonest representation. Medicine may pay well when you are up and working as an attending and are able to bill and be paid for the units of work you do, but the figures you quote ignore the shorter career length, the opportunity cost of extra education and training, the unaccounted-for costs of longer hours spent at labor in training (80 hour workweek-years counted as any other work-year) and the unaccounted-for after hours work. By your reasoning, major-league ballplayers should be king.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What &quot;parents&quot; want their children to marry is the most laughable example. They want them to marry rich people, of course. But if they don&#039;t know any, a doctor will do.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And counting &quot;lawyers&quot; as a single group while dividing medical professionals by specialty makes me wonder about who ginned up that list.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon. 9:24, you are making a glib and dishonest representation. Medicine may pay well when you are up and working as an attending and are able to bill and be paid for the units of work you do, but the figures you quote ignore the shorter career length, the opportunity cost of extra education and training, the unaccounted-for costs of longer hours spent at labor in training (80 hour workweek-years counted as any other work-year) and the unaccounted-for after hours work. By your reasoning, major-league ballplayers should be king.</p><p>What &#8220;parents&#8221; want their children to marry is the most laughable example. They want them to marry rich people, of course. But if they don&#8217;t know any, a doctor will do.</p><p>And counting &#8220;lawyers&#8221; as a single group while dividing medical professionals by specialty makes me wonder about who ginned up that list.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/pennsylvania-trapping-physicians.html#comment-76065</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 02:24:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/06/pennsylvania-trapping-physicians.html#comment-76065</guid> <description>Oh NO!!! Physicians are being &quot;killed.&quot;  They are only the best compensated profession domestically.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19058407/&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;When we first looked at America&#039;s best- and worst-paying jobs a year back, we asked the question, &quot;Why do financially pushy parents want their children to marry doctors?&quot; Our answer then: Because, as Willie Sutton said of banks, that is where the money is. Still is.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The medical profession continues to dominate the top end of our list of the 25 best- and worst-paying jobs in America. Anesthesiologists have flipped places with surgeons to take the top spot, but the next eight places are firmly in the healing hands of various sorts of specialist practitioners.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Chief executives, at No. 10, and airline pilots, at No. 14, are the only two non-medical occupations in the top 15. Even lawyers don&#039;t make it. They&#039;re No. 16.&quot;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh NO!!! Physicians are being &#8220;killed.&#8221;  They are only the best compensated profession domestically.</p><p><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19058407/" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19058407/</a></p><p>&#8220;When we first looked at America&#8217;s best- and worst-paying jobs a year back, we asked the question, &#8220;Why do financially pushy parents want their children to marry doctors?&#8221; Our answer then: Because, as Willie Sutton said of banks, that is where the money is. Still is.</p><p>The medical profession continues to dominate the top end of our list of the 25 best- and worst-paying jobs in America. Anesthesiologists have flipped places with surgeons to take the top spot, but the next eight places are firmly in the healing hands of various sorts of specialist practitioners.</p><p>Chief executives, at No. 10, and airline pilots, at No. 14, are the only two non-medical occupations in the top 15. Even lawyers don&#8217;t make it. They&#8217;re No. 16.&#8221;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/pennsylvania-trapping-physicians.html#comment-76011</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 03:39:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/06/pennsylvania-trapping-physicians.html#comment-76011</guid> <description>Not!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/pennsylvania-trapping-physicians.html#comment-76004</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 01:01:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/06/pennsylvania-trapping-physicians.html#comment-76004</guid> <description>&quot;It does not discourage frivilous suits nor lower costs of the legal system&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Nor does tort reform in most of its current guises.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It does not discourage frivilous suits nor lower costs of the legal system&#8221;</p><p>Nor does tort reform in most of its current guises.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/pennsylvania-trapping-physicians.html#comment-75999</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 19:52:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/06/pennsylvania-trapping-physicians.html#comment-75999</guid> <description>So much for the canard of &quot;being killed by the cost of training.&quot;  The State offers a way to forgive such costs and yet (when it comes to expecting a free lunch) being saved from &quot;being killed&quot; is viewed as a trap.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So much for the canard of &#8220;being killed by the cost of training.&#8221;  The State offers a way to forgive such costs and yet (when it comes to expecting a free lunch) being saved from &#8220;being killed&#8221; is viewed as a trap.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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