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	<title>Comments on: The exploding C-section rate in America</title>
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		<title>By: Earmarks and Medical Malpractise: Reform, This Time Without the Statistical Vacuum at Haemet</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/exploding-c-section-rate-in-america.html/comment-page-1#comment-109521</link>
		<dc:creator>Earmarks and Medical Malpractise: Reform, This Time Without the Statistical Vacuum at Haemet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 04:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] It is not by accident that approximately 1 in 3 American women give birth via C-section: as Dr. Faith Friedan said, &#8220;They&#8217;re never faulted for doing a C-section.&#8221;  Many insurance companies will [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] It is not by accident that approximately 1 in 3 American women give birth via C-section: as Dr. Faith Friedan said, &#8220;They&#8217;re never faulted for doing a C-section.&#8221;  Many insurance companies will [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/exploding-c-section-rate-in-america.html/comment-page-1#comment-76511</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A little late to add on - but - &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;A fear of being sued IS about the money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little late to add on &#8211; but &#8211; </p>
<p>A fear of being sued IS about the money.</p>
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		<title>By: Elliott</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/exploding-c-section-rate-in-america.html/comment-page-1#comment-76466</link>
		<dc:creator>Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somebody please find a shred of evidence that a C-section reduces either the risk of being sued for malpractice or the risk of losing a malpractice case.  I am seriously looking for any previous studies.  Most studies that I have been able to find tend to point in the other direction.  Doctors sued for malpractice tend to have higher C-section rates (many possible explanations which the data does not determine).  Areas with higher malpractice insurance rates tend to have greater C-section rates but the direction of the causality is not available (higher levels of C-section =&gt; more malpractice lawsuits =&gt; higher rates OR more malpractice lawsuits =&gt; higher rates =&gt; more C-sections).  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The most likely explanation in the absence of any data seems to me to be the economic incentive in doing a C-section.  Comparing the two methods of delivery, the treatment through the course of the pregnancy is likely to be the same.  The treatment at the end of the pregnancy may require more time doing the procedure, but much less time waiting (many studies show that C-section rates rise as the weekend approaches).  It is a no-brainer from an economic perspective.  Allow yourself as a doctor to convince yourself that it&#039;s not about money, but a legitimate fear of being sued and the decision becomes even easier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somebody please find a shred of evidence that a C-section reduces either the risk of being sued for malpractice or the risk of losing a malpractice case.  I am seriously looking for any previous studies.  Most studies that I have been able to find tend to point in the other direction.  Doctors sued for malpractice tend to have higher C-section rates (many possible explanations which the data does not determine).  Areas with higher malpractice insurance rates tend to have greater C-section rates but the direction of the causality is not available (higher levels of C-section => more malpractice lawsuits => higher rates OR more malpractice lawsuits => higher rates => more C-sections).  </p>
<p>The most likely explanation in the absence of any data seems to me to be the economic incentive in doing a C-section.  Comparing the two methods of delivery, the treatment through the course of the pregnancy is likely to be the same.  The treatment at the end of the pregnancy may require more time doing the procedure, but much less time waiting (many studies show that C-section rates rise as the weekend approaches).  It is a no-brainer from an economic perspective.  Allow yourself as a doctor to convince yourself that it&#8217;s not about money, but a legitimate fear of being sued and the decision becomes even easier.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/exploding-c-section-rate-in-america.html/comment-page-1#comment-76459</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Are you ethically bankrupt for wanting the jury to see that?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;s more like - are you financially bankrupt because you want the jury to see that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Are you ethically bankrupt for wanting the jury to see that?&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s more like &#8211; are you financially bankrupt because you want the jury to see that?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/exploding-c-section-rate-in-america.html/comment-page-1#comment-76453</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 03:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;That statement is akin to lawyers proving birth injury association with cerebral palsy even though no single peer-reviewed study has shown such an association.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Are you saying that there is literally no proof that oxygen deprivation is a factor in causing CP, and that it is impossible for a physician to commit malpractice in such a manner as to deprive a fetus of oxygen?  None?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Here&#039;s the thing, it&#039;s the facts of the individual case that matter, and you&#039;ll find no single peer reviewed study that will say that malpractice cannot result in CP, either.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot; I am not saying it&#039;s right but when a JD wheels in a CP child, he is not using the &quot;science&quot; card or the &quot;best evidence&quot; card, rather the &quot;heartstring&quot; card.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Would you prefer we have trials without ever seeing the plaintiff?  If you&#039;re hit by a car today, and lose the use of a leg, does how you look and the visual effects of that driver&#039;s negligence have no relevance?  Are you ethically bankrupt for wanting the jury to see that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That statement is akin to lawyers proving birth injury association with cerebral palsy even though no single peer-reviewed study has shown such an association.&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you saying that there is literally no proof that oxygen deprivation is a factor in causing CP, and that it is impossible for a physician to commit malpractice in such a manner as to deprive a fetus of oxygen?  None?</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the thing, it&#8217;s the facts of the individual case that matter, and you&#8217;ll find no single peer reviewed study that will say that malpractice cannot result in CP, either.  </p>
<p>&#8221; I am not saying it&#8217;s right but when a JD wheels in a CP child, he is not using the &#8220;science&#8221; card or the &#8220;best evidence&#8221; card, rather the &#8220;heartstring&#8221; card.&#8221;</p>
<p>Would you prefer we have trials without ever seeing the plaintiff?  If you&#8217;re hit by a car today, and lose the use of a leg, does how you look and the visual effects of that driver&#8217;s negligence have no relevance?  Are you ethically bankrupt for wanting the jury to see that?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 02:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anon 8:02:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;re &quot;If not, why is it the fault of others that physicians are doing ineffective things to avoid a risk they can&#039;t accurately quantify?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That statement is akin to lawyers proving birth injury association with cerebral palsy even though no single peer-reviewed study has shown such an association. I am not saying it&#039;s right but when a JD wheels in a CP child, he is not using the &quot;science&quot; card or the &quot;best evidence&quot; card, rather the &quot;heartstring&quot; card. I am sorry you are so ethically bankrupt that you can&#039;t seethe issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anon 8:02:</p>
<p>re &#8220;If not, why is it the fault of others that physicians are doing ineffective things to avoid a risk they can&#8217;t accurately quantify?&#8221;</p>
<p>That statement is akin to lawyers proving birth injury association with cerebral palsy even though no single peer-reviewed study has shown such an association. I am not saying it&#8217;s right but when a JD wheels in a CP child, he is not using the &#8220;science&#8221; card or the &#8220;best evidence&#8221; card, rather the &#8220;heartstring&#8221; card. I am sorry you are so ethically bankrupt that you can&#8217;t seethe issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/exploding-c-section-rate-in-america.html/comment-page-1#comment-76442</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 22:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Street crossers may never get hit by a car, either.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;They might not, but they can be sure it&#039;s less likely if they look both ways.  Can you say the same about performing C-sections?  No.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And of course, we&#039;re discussing this as if lawsuits were the only reason there are more.  We have no idea if that&#039;s the case.  It might be convenience of the patient, it might be convenience of the physician, it might be that the physician gets paid more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Street crossers may never get hit by a car, either.&#8221;</p>
<p>They might not, but they can be sure it&#8217;s less likely if they look both ways.  Can you say the same about performing C-sections?  No.</p>
<p>And of course, we&#8217;re discussing this as if lawsuits were the only reason there are more.  We have no idea if that&#8217;s the case.  It might be convenience of the patient, it might be convenience of the physician, it might be that the physician gets paid more.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 22:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; You are dismissing any individual&#039;s opinion as irrational.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;No, I&#039;m really not.  But when your opinion is based on unquantifiable terms and seeking an unquantifiable, or at least undeclared goal, don&#039;t expect it to be immune from criticism.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And no, the expert&#039;s word is not treated as gospel.  I&#039;ve never seen the attorney on the other side genuflect during cross examination.  And you just need one person&#039;s opinion to get the claim to the jury, and there&#039;s even a vetting process for that.  You need a lot more than that to win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; You are dismissing any individual&#8217;s opinion as irrational.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, I&#8217;m really not.  But when your opinion is based on unquantifiable terms and seeking an unquantifiable, or at least undeclared goal, don&#8217;t expect it to be immune from criticism.  </p>
<p>And no, the expert&#8217;s word is not treated as gospel.  I&#8217;ve never seen the attorney on the other side genuflect during cross examination.  And you just need one person&#8217;s opinion to get the claim to the jury, and there&#8217;s even a vetting process for that.  You need a lot more than that to win.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 22:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;the issue is whether we should be making policy on irrational fear&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I didn&#039;t know we were talking about global warming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>the issue is whether we should be making policy on irrational fear</b></p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t know we were talking about global warming.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 22:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And no, as a physician you do not KNOW a lawsuit is coming. You may never be sued.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;25% of phsycians are sued anulally (When Good Doctors Get Sued, 2001). So its a pretty good bet that if you practice long wnough, you will get sued. Or as my mentors used to say, if you don&#039;t get sued, you aren&#039;t practicing medicine.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Street crossers may never get hit by a car, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And no, as a physician you do not KNOW a lawsuit is coming. You may never be sued.</i></p>
<p>25% of phsycians are sued anulally (When Good Doctors Get Sued, 2001). So its a pretty good bet that if you practice long wnough, you will get sued. Or as my mentors used to say, if you don&#8217;t get sued, you aren&#8217;t practicing medicine.</p>
<p>Street crossers may never get hit by a car, either.</p>
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