<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Conservative Christian physicians</title> <atom:link href="http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/conservative-christian-physicians.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/conservative-christian-physicians.html</link> <description></description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 22:04:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: DancingSamurai.ca &#124; On refusal to provide care (Updated x 2)</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/conservative-christian-physicians.html#comment-109288</link> <dc:creator>DancingSamurai.ca &#124; On refusal to provide care (Updated x 2)</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 05:13:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/06/conservative-christian-physicians.html#comment-109288</guid> <description>[...] I posted about a study before that showed male, religious physicians are likely to refuse to provide treatment they don&#8217;t believe in &#8212; which generally means refusing contraceptive methods including abortion to young, vulnerable women. An article in MSNBC today tells the same tale with a bit more of a personal twist &#8212; but not even over abortion, but emergency contraception. For rape victims. (via Kevin, M.D.) [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I posted about a study before that showed male, religious physicians are likely to refuse to provide treatment they don&#8217;t believe in &#8212; which generally means refusing contraceptive methods including abortion to young, vulnerable women. An article in MSNBC today tells the same tale with a bit more of a personal twist &#8212; but not even over abortion, but emergency contraception. For rape victims. (via Kevin, M.D.) [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Alison</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/conservative-christian-physicians.html#comment-76655</link> <dc:creator>Alison</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:39:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/06/conservative-christian-physicians.html#comment-76655</guid> <description>If a man were to present to the ER with upper left quadrant chest pain, would it be appropriate for the ER doctor to refuse to examine him because it&#039;s against her religion to touch men? Or refuse to refer him to another doctor because the only other doctor working the ER that night was also a woman, albeit not of the same religious belief?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Would it be appropriate for a hospital to hire ER physicians who refused to examine opposite-sexed patients because their religions tell them it&#039;s immodest? And who denied them access to other doctors of the opposite sex?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We&#039;re talking about standard care here. You might genuinely believe that interfering with the transmission of life is playing God, but if you are going to serve a secular public you need to be able to cope with a secular world in which contraception is a neutral act.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You might genuinely believe that for a woman to be in the presence of a man without being escorted by her husband, or for her to touch any man who is not her husband or son, is a sin against the separation of sexes instituted by God. But if you are going to serve a mixed-gendered world in a secular world, you need to find a way to cope. You cannot simply refuse care. It&#039;s reasonable to expect examination and treatment for upper left quadrant chest pain in your local ER.  Likewise, it&#039;s reasonable to expect the offer of emergency contraception as part of your care when you&#039;ve been raped. This isn&#039;t about &quot;gratification.&quot;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a man were to present to the ER with upper left quadrant chest pain, would it be appropriate for the ER doctor to refuse to examine him because it&#8217;s against her religion to touch men? Or refuse to refer him to another doctor because the only other doctor working the ER that night was also a woman, albeit not of the same religious belief?</p><p>Would it be appropriate for a hospital to hire ER physicians who refused to examine opposite-sexed patients because their religions tell them it&#8217;s immodest? And who denied them access to other doctors of the opposite sex?</p><p>We&#8217;re talking about standard care here. You might genuinely believe that interfering with the transmission of life is playing God, but if you are going to serve a secular public you need to be able to cope with a secular world in which contraception is a neutral act.</p><p>You might genuinely believe that for a woman to be in the presence of a man without being escorted by her husband, or for her to touch any man who is not her husband or son, is a sin against the separation of sexes instituted by God. But if you are going to serve a mixed-gendered world in a secular world, you need to find a way to cope. You cannot simply refuse care. It&#8217;s reasonable to expect examination and treatment for upper left quadrant chest pain in your local ER.  Likewise, it&#8217;s reasonable to expect the offer of emergency contraception as part of your care when you&#8217;ve been raped. This isn&#8217;t about &#8220;gratification.&#8221;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: DancingSamurai</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/conservative-christian-physicians.html#comment-76650</link> <dc:creator>DancingSamurai</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 05:49:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/06/conservative-christian-physicians.html#comment-76650</guid> <description>If you&#039;re a Jehova&#039;s Witness and an MD, can you refuse to offer your patient a blood transfusion because it is against your morals?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re a Jehova&#8217;s Witness and an MD, can you refuse to offer your patient a blood transfusion because it is against your morals?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/conservative-christian-physicians.html#comment-76642</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 01:58:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/06/conservative-christian-physicians.html#comment-76642</guid> <description>If a doctor is willing to override his moral scrupples for your gratification, how likely is he to honor them when his own gratification is at stake?  . . . his desire for more riches?  . . . for sexual contact?  . . . for power?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a doctor is willing to override his moral scrupples for your gratification, how likely is he to honor them when his own gratification is at stake?  . . . his desire for more riches?  . . . for sexual contact?  . . . for power?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/conservative-christian-physicians.html#comment-76641</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 01:56:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/06/conservative-christian-physicians.html#comment-76641</guid> <description>I should have been more clear, I meant religious/moral beliefs.  I did not mean medical beliefs/expertise/advice.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It would be an interesting to do a survey asking women if they would want to go to an ob/gyn who refuses to dispense birth control, even if they are not in need of contraception themselves.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Personally, I cannot fathom why anyone would become an ob/gyn who has such hard and fast rules regarding birth control.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should have been more clear, I meant religious/moral beliefs.  I did not mean medical beliefs/expertise/advice.</p><p>It would be an interesting to do a survey asking women if they would want to go to an ob/gyn who refuses to dispense birth control, even if they are not in need of contraception themselves.</p><p>Personally, I cannot fathom why anyone would become an ob/gyn who has such hard and fast rules regarding birth control.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/conservative-christian-physicians.html#comment-76636</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 23:58:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/06/conservative-christian-physicians.html#comment-76636</guid> <description>Oops - &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;post should read &quot;wrong to not prescribe Vioxx&quot;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops &#8211;</p><p>post should read &#8220;wrong to not prescribe Vioxx&#8221;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/conservative-christian-physicians.html#comment-76635</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 23:57:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/06/conservative-christian-physicians.html#comment-76635</guid> <description>&lt;i&gt;but I still wouldn&#039;t want to be cared for by someone who puts his/her beliefs first. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hmmm...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What if they believe you are not ill and you disagree? What if they believe you are very ill, and you disagree? Should they not put their beliefs first? What if, contarary to popular practice, they believe a certain treatment is harmful? Would the doctor have been wrong to prescrivbe vioxx to you 2 years ago if he/she &quot;believed&quot; that it may not be beneficial, but harmful? Or should your demands and &quot;beliefs&quot; come first?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Who is the professional, and who is seeking advice?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>but I still wouldn&#8217;t want to be cared for by someone who puts his/her beliefs first. </i></p><p>Hmmm&#8230;</p><p>What if they believe you are not ill and you disagree? What if they believe you are very ill, and you disagree? Should they not put their beliefs first? What if, contarary to popular practice, they believe a certain treatment is harmful? Would the doctor have been wrong to prescrivbe vioxx to you 2 years ago if he/she &#8220;believed&#8221; that it may not be beneficial, but harmful? Or should your demands and &#8220;beliefs&#8221; come first?</p><p>Who is the professional, and who is seeking advice?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/conservative-christian-physicians.html#comment-76626</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:47:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/06/conservative-christian-physicians.html#comment-76626</guid> <description>Leaving beside the emergency room subject for a moment, there&#039;s another situation involving office-based care that puzzles me.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If a doctor doesn&#039;t want to be involved in birth control or sterilizations, why wouldn&#039;t that person be up front about it, before a patient makes an appointment with him or her.  The doctor could have a brochure in their office that states their stance on birth control.  They could have this information up on their practice website and/or the webpage that their local hospital has for them.  If a new patient calls their office, the receptionist should tell that person about the doctor&#039;s policies.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That way, no patient wanting birth control would make an appointment with that doctor (though there&#039;s an awful lot of women who have a strong interest in birth control; it&#039;s a lot of patients).  The doctor doesn&#039;t waste his time with a patient he won&#039;t treat.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Personally, I&#039;d want to know if a family doctor or gynecologist I see has such strong beliefs.  I&#039;m beyond the age where I need birth control, but I still wouldn&#039;t want to be cared for by someone who puts his/her beliefs first.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leaving beside the emergency room subject for a moment, there&#8217;s another situation involving office-based care that puzzles me.</p><p>If a doctor doesn&#8217;t want to be involved in birth control or sterilizations, why wouldn&#8217;t that person be up front about it, before a patient makes an appointment with him or her.  The doctor could have a brochure in their office that states their stance on birth control.  They could have this information up on their practice website and/or the webpage that their local hospital has for them.  If a new patient calls their office, the receptionist should tell that person about the doctor&#8217;s policies.</p><p>That way, no patient wanting birth control would make an appointment with that doctor (though there&#8217;s an awful lot of women who have a strong interest in birth control; it&#8217;s a lot of patients).  The doctor doesn&#8217;t waste his time with a patient he won&#8217;t treat.</p><p>Personally, I&#8217;d want to know if a family doctor or gynecologist I see has such strong beliefs.  I&#8217;m beyond the age where I need birth control, but I still wouldn&#8217;t want to be cared for by someone who puts his/her beliefs first.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/conservative-christian-physicians.html#comment-76624</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 19:45:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/06/conservative-christian-physicians.html#comment-76624</guid> <description>What makes them &quot;academic&quot; if what we are discussing is practice? I don&#039;t think this is &quot;academic.&quot; &lt;br/&gt;And there isn&#039;t any circularity that goes nowhere, the argument goes squarely against prescribing on demand. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That was the point of the article: that you can&#039;t go to a doctor and demand whatever you want, even in the emergency room, even if what you want is legal and is accepted practice. People are just amazed that the voluntary nature of care works two ways. The world doesn&#039;t all work lik Burger King.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What makes them &#8220;academic&#8221; if what we are discussing is practice? I don&#8217;t think this is &#8220;academic.&#8221; <br />And there isn&#8217;t any circularity that goes nowhere, the argument goes squarely against prescribing on demand.</p><p>That was the point of the article: that you can&#8217;t go to a doctor and demand whatever you want, even in the emergency room, even if what you want is legal and is accepted practice. People are just amazed that the voluntary nature of care works two ways. The world doesn&#8217;t all work lik Burger King.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/06/conservative-christian-physicians.html#comment-76620</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 19:13:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/06/conservative-christian-physicians.html#comment-76620</guid> <description>Look, I am not going to get into circular academic arguments with you that go nowhere. Talk with your risk management/medical director and see what they say. I think you will be surprised.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, I am not going to get into circular academic arguments with you that go nowhere. Talk with your risk management/medical director and see what they say. I think you will be surprised.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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