Comments on: Single-payer in Sweden: A cautionary tale http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/05/single-payer-in-sweden-cautionary-tale.html Tue, 14 Feb 2012 22:04:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: Am. Football P. in Swedenhttp://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/05/single-payer-in-sweden-cautionary-tale.html#comment-90872 Am. Football P. in Sweden Sat, 18 Apr 2009 01:04:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/05/single-payer-in-sweden-a-cautionary-tale.html#comment-90872 I don't agree.<br />I live in Sweden, and I had a major sports injury. Like T.B.<br />It got fixed by some skillful professionals. For about 120$ for the Surgery and 100$ for the Pre and Post medicine needed. <br /><br />It would have been a career ending thing. I did and do not have 4625$ to spend on the surgery I needed.<br />This was not through insurance, but through paying tax. I don’t agree.
I live in Sweden, and I had a major sports injury. Like T.B.
It got fixed by some skillful professionals. For about 120$ for the Surgery and 100$ for the Pre and Post medicine needed.

It would have been a career ending thing. I did and do not have 4625$ to spend on the surgery I needed.
This was not through insurance, but through paying tax.

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/05/single-payer-in-sweden-cautionary-tale.html#comment-75265 Anonymous Sun, 20 May 2007 16:38:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/05/single-payer-in-sweden-a-cautionary-tale.html#comment-75265 So you're calling the rest of the world selfish because we won't pay for you. I'm sure the homeless feel I'm selfish too, because I won't give them my home, my wallet, and my car. Simple envy is a rotten way to make policy. You don't have the right to take money out of my pocket to pay your bills, regardless of what you might believe. You are an adult. Be responsible for yourself, it's what the rest of us do.<br/><br/>Life is hard: face it, and fight, instead of crying for help. Or, in simpler terms, Ranger up. So you’re calling the rest of the world selfish because we won’t pay for you. I’m sure the homeless feel I’m selfish too, because I won’t give them my home, my wallet, and my car. Simple envy is a rotten way to make policy. You don’t have the right to take money out of my pocket to pay your bills, regardless of what you might believe. You are an adult. Be responsible for yourself, it’s what the rest of us do.

Life is hard: face it, and fight, instead of crying for help. Or, in simpler terms, Ranger up.

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/05/single-payer-in-sweden-cautionary-tale.html#comment-75257 Anonymous Sun, 20 May 2007 06:10:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/05/single-payer-in-sweden-a-cautionary-tale.html#comment-75257 Well I do have healthcare now, that I pay out of pocket 1,140.00 per month for. AND YES, it is BETTER for those who have alot of health coverage to not have as much, if it would mean that everyone would have some type of coverage.<br/><br/>Im sorry you are so selfish!! But just because you are, dont try to find pseudo faults with me just because Im not! There still are people who are not totally full of self-importance. Well I do have healthcare now, that I pay out of pocket 1,140.00 per month for. AND YES, it is BETTER for those who have alot of health coverage to not have as much, if it would mean that everyone would have some type of coverage.

Im sorry you are so selfish!! But just because you are, dont try to find pseudo faults with me just because Im not! There still are people who are not totally full of self-importance.

]]> By: Elliotthttp://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/05/single-payer-in-sweden-cautionary-tale.html#comment-75239 Elliott Sat, 19 May 2007 21:43:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/05/single-payer-in-sweden-a-cautionary-tale.html#comment-75239 Hack to hack to hack. It's like Tinkers to Evers to Chance. Hogberg to Catron to Pho. And if you have an appreciation for those sorts of things then watching this kind of BS spin is like watching a well-turned double play. Hack to hack to hack. It’s like Tinkers to Evers to Chance. Hogberg to Catron to Pho. And if you have an appreciation for those sorts of things then watching this kind of BS spin is like watching a well-turned double play.

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/05/single-payer-in-sweden-cautionary-tale.html#comment-75238 Anonymous Sat, 19 May 2007 21:10:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/05/single-payer-in-sweden-a-cautionary-tale.html#comment-75238 Why should 250 million receive less care to appease the debateable 40 million without?<br/>I don't worry about those without as Margret said they have many options. I have better things to worry about.<br/>The people that pay the bills in this country right now will not tolerate excessive waiting. <br/>As to the last statement. This is what is funny, they will sue who they always do, the physician and hospital for doing the surgery instead of theirs. Why should 250 million receive less care to appease the debateable 40 million without?
I don’t worry about those without as Margret said they have many options. I have better things to worry about.
The people that pay the bills in this country right now will not tolerate excessive waiting.
As to the last statement. This is what is funny, they will sue who they always do, the physician and hospital for doing the surgery instead of theirs.

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/05/single-payer-in-sweden-cautionary-tale.html#comment-75236 Anonymous Sat, 19 May 2007 19:37:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/05/single-payer-in-sweden-a-cautionary-tale.html#comment-75236 Let me see if I understand that last. It's ok if the majority of people (those currently insured) receive diminshed care, so long as a minority (those unisured)receive "better care". The solution proposed is to create a government bureacracy that will be responsible for allocating medical care, with the thought that this will increase cost-effectiveness and "fairness". Is that a fair summary?<br/><br/>Not to be a cynic, but what stops you from obtaining health care now? And how would you describe "better care"? Let me see if I understand that last. It’s ok if the majority of people (those currently insured) receive diminshed care, so long as a minority (those unisured)receive “better care”. The solution proposed is to create a government bureacracy that will be responsible for allocating medical care, with the thought that this will increase cost-effectiveness and “fairness”. Is that a fair summary?

Not to be a cynic, but what stops you from obtaining health care now? And how would you describe “better care”?

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/05/single-payer-in-sweden-cautionary-tale.html#comment-75235 Anonymous Sat, 19 May 2007 17:12:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/05/single-payer-in-sweden-a-cautionary-tale.html#comment-75235 Anon...11:43<br/><br/>In your world where only YOU matter, obviously nothing anyone does could make what YOU have better. How does it feel to be so self-important? Never mind, you just go on living in a vacumn of me, me, and me.. while the rest of worry about the 40 plus million americans with no ins. <br/><br/>Lawsuits fly? Who are they going to sue? The govt??? You are a funny one! Anon…11:43

In your world where only YOU matter, obviously nothing anyone does could make what YOU have better. How does it feel to be so self-important? Never mind, you just go on living in a vacumn of me, me, and me.. while the rest of worry about the 40 plus million americans with no ins.

Lawsuits fly? Who are they going to sue? The govt??? You are a funny one!

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/05/single-payer-in-sweden-cautionary-tale.html#comment-75234 Anonymous Sat, 19 May 2007 16:43:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/05/single-payer-in-sweden-a-cautionary-tale.html#comment-75234 Again speaking in hypotheticals, How would single payor make my experience better right now? It won't and can't. You can't pass a single payor system and not make matters worse for those of us that have insurance right now. Its impossible. Like I said there is nowhere I would rather be if I was injured.<br/>Anon 9:02 exactly what is your complaint 7 weeks from injury to surgery is a whole lot better than 6 months to even see an ORS in the first place. You are talking a couple of year process minimum in a single payor nation to see your PCP, get an MRI, referal to a ORS, Knee Scope, Failed Knee Scope ending up with a Total Knee Arthroplasty. Some surgeons do work that fast, all it took was a call from my PCP.<br/>If some kind of single payor goes through I can't wait to either see someone like Donovan McNabb waiting a year to have his ACL repaired while he is on a list behing Wally from the YMCA who tore his. Or him having his surgery done early, the whole city rejoices and then they watch the lawsuits fly as he moves ahead of others on the list. Again speaking in hypotheticals, How would single payor make my experience better right now? It won’t and can’t. You can’t pass a single payor system and not make matters worse for those of us that have insurance right now. Its impossible. Like I said there is nowhere I would rather be if I was injured.
Anon 9:02 exactly what is your complaint 7 weeks from injury to surgery is a whole lot better than 6 months to even see an ORS in the first place. You are talking a couple of year process minimum in a single payor nation to see your PCP, get an MRI, referal to a ORS, Knee Scope, Failed Knee Scope ending up with a Total Knee Arthroplasty. Some surgeons do work that fast, all it took was a call from my PCP.
If some kind of single payor goes through I can’t wait to either see someone like Donovan McNabb waiting a year to have his ACL repaired while he is on a list behing Wally from the YMCA who tore his. Or him having his surgery done early, the whole city rejoices and then they watch the lawsuits fly as he moves ahead of others on the list.

]]> By: In Limbohttp://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/05/single-payer-in-sweden-cautionary-tale.html#comment-75233 In Limbo Sat, 19 May 2007 15:46:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/05/single-payer-in-sweden-a-cautionary-tale.html#comment-75233 I've lived in Sweden and now I live in Denmark. While in Sweden you pay everytime you go to the doc, in Denmark you don't. I also lived 26 years of my life in a 3rd world country. There are flaws in all the health systems of all the places I've lived in, but what I have to say about Sweden and Denmark is that medical care is the same for everyone. This is a wonderful concept, if it actually worked. Instead of being the same "good quality" for everyone, it is the same "crap" for everyone...<br/><br/>While some of my disregard for the "nordic" health system is based on the humongous difference in medical practice between the new world and the old world; I think there is much to learn in terms of "what not to do" from countries like Sweden and Denmark. I’ve lived in Sweden and now I live in Denmark. While in Sweden you pay everytime you go to the doc, in Denmark you don’t. I also lived 26 years of my life in a 3rd world country. There are flaws in all the health systems of all the places I’ve lived in, but what I have to say about Sweden and Denmark is that medical care is the same for everyone. This is a wonderful concept, if it actually worked. Instead of being the same “good quality” for everyone, it is the same “crap” for everyone…

While some of my disregard for the “nordic” health system is based on the humongous difference in medical practice between the new world and the old world; I think there is much to learn in terms of “what not to do” from countries like Sweden and Denmark.

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/05/single-payer-in-sweden-cautionary-tale.html#comment-75229 Anonymous Sat, 19 May 2007 14:02:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/05/single-payer-in-sweden-a-cautionary-tale.html#comment-75229 WOW, I want to knwo who and where this os is. I had really good ins. and also tore my miniscus. I CALLED FOR AN APPOINTMENT< WAITED DAYS< SAW THE Os who ordered an MRI for 2 weeks later, had the MRI and returned to OS two weeks following that and had surgery 2 weeks after that. All in all atleast 7 weeks from inuury to surgery. Then a few months later I had a knee replacement becaus ethe damage was so great so it was not because it wasn't a bad injury. I know of no OS who works as fast as what was described above. <br/><br/>ALSO, if I had not had ins. I would be in a wheel chair right now so dont make this sound like something other than what it is. WOW, I want to knwo who and where this os is. I had really good ins. and also tore my miniscus. I CALLED FOR AN APPOINTMENT< WAITED DAYS< SAW THE Os who ordered an MRI for 2 weeks later, had the MRI and returned to OS two weeks following that and had surgery 2 weeks after that. All in all atleast 7 weeks from inuury to surgery. Then a few months later I had a knee replacement becaus ethe damage was so great so it was not because it wasn't a bad injury. I know of no OS who works as fast as what was described above.

ALSO, if I had not had ins. I would be in a wheel chair right now so dont make this sound like something other than what it is.

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