Comments on: Inevitable: NHS forced to ration care http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/05/inevitable-nhs-forced-to-ration-care.html medical blog Sun, 21 Mar 2010 04:06:55 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Anonymous http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/05/inevitable-nhs-forced-to-ration-care.html/comment-page-1#comment-74805 Anonymous Wed, 09 May 2007 01:08:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/05/inevitable-nhs-forced-to-ration-care.html#comment-74805 "BS treatments are cheap. Homeopathic medicines are, by definition, equivalent to distilled water. If they "work", they are cheaper than the alternative. When the placebo doesn't work, and the patient dies, that is by far cheaper for the state than a surviving dependent."<br/><br/><br/>This is incorrect. When someone uses homeopathy or another BS treatment and doesnt get better, they usually switch to regular "expensive" medicine before they die.<br/><br/>Its very rare that people stick to homeopathy and die because of it. They end up using both homeopathy AND conventional treatment and the result is a cost that 5 times higher due to delayed "real" treatment along with the extra costs of hte phony treatments. “BS treatments are cheap. Homeopathic medicines are, by definition, equivalent to distilled water. If they “work”, they are cheaper than the alternative. When the placebo doesn’t work, and the patient dies, that is by far cheaper for the state than a surviving dependent.”

This is incorrect. When someone uses homeopathy or another BS treatment and doesnt get better, they usually switch to regular “expensive” medicine before they die.

Its very rare that people stick to homeopathy and die because of it. They end up using both homeopathy AND conventional treatment and the result is a cost that 5 times higher due to delayed “real” treatment along with the extra costs of hte phony treatments.

]]> By: Evan http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/05/inevitable-nhs-forced-to-ration-care.html/comment-page-1#comment-74780 Evan Tue, 08 May 2007 17:09:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/05/inevitable-nhs-forced-to-ration-care.html#comment-74780 Odd how everyone in the US talks about Canadian medical tourism, but nobody talks about American trips across the borders south and north to get prescriptions.<br/><br/>If the Canadian system is a failure because of the existence of any medical tourism, isn't then that also an indictment of our system? Is the system that creates the least medical tourism then by default the best? Odd how everyone in the US talks about Canadian medical tourism, but nobody talks about American trips across the borders south and north to get prescriptions.

If the Canadian system is a failure because of the existence of any medical tourism, isn’t then that also an indictment of our system? Is the system that creates the least medical tourism then by default the best?

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/05/inevitable-nhs-forced-to-ration-care.html/comment-page-1#comment-74746 Anonymous Tue, 08 May 2007 02:06:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/05/inevitable-nhs-forced-to-ration-care.html#comment-74746 I'm near enough to Canada so the specialists in my area are thriving from all the business North of the border. Canadians with "free" national healthcare come down in droves and pay in US dollars because they don't want to wait months and months for diagnostics and procedures that are scheduled for the next day or week in the US. The NHS in the UK is about the same for wait times which spurs a huge amount of "medical tourism" taking plenty of hard cash with it. Believe it or not, private insurance does a better job for more people for less money overall. I'm not a big fan of HMOs and some insurance companies, but I'll gladly take the lesser evil. I’m near enough to Canada so the specialists in my area are thriving from all the business North of the border. Canadians with “free” national healthcare come down in droves and pay in US dollars because they don’t want to wait months and months for diagnostics and procedures that are scheduled for the next day or week in the US. The NHS in the UK is about the same for wait times which spurs a huge amount of “medical tourism” taking plenty of hard cash with it. Believe it or not, private insurance does a better job for more people for less money overall. I’m not a big fan of HMOs and some insurance companies, but I’ll gladly take the lesser evil.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/05/inevitable-nhs-forced-to-ration-care.html/comment-page-1#comment-74743 Anonymous Tue, 08 May 2007 01:03:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/05/inevitable-nhs-forced-to-ration-care.html#comment-74743 I got an A in my peds rotation, but never learned what glue ear was. Anyone?<br/>b I got an A in my peds rotation, but never learned what glue ear was. Anyone?
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]]> By: Anonymous http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/05/inevitable-nhs-forced-to-ration-care.html/comment-page-1#comment-74737 Anonymous Tue, 08 May 2007 00:23:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/05/inevitable-nhs-forced-to-ration-care.html#comment-74737 BS treatments are cheap. Homeopathic medicines are, by definition, equivalent to distilled water. If they "work", they are cheaper than the alternative. When the placebo doesn't work, and the patient dies, that is by far cheaper for the state than a surviving dependent. BS treatments are cheap. Homeopathic medicines are, by definition, equivalent to distilled water. If they “work”, they are cheaper than the alternative. When the placebo doesn’t work, and the patient dies, that is by far cheaper for the state than a surviving dependent.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/05/inevitable-nhs-forced-to-ration-care.html/comment-page-1#comment-74732 Anonymous Mon, 07 May 2007 23:28:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/05/inevitable-nhs-forced-to-ration-care.html#comment-74732 if the UK is so hard up for money, tell me why they spend money on homeopathy, acupuncture, and a bunch of other BS treatments?<br/><br/>This is the inevitable consequence of a nationalized system. The quacks come into play (chiropractors, acupuncturists, etc) come begging for govt money. The courts force the govt to let them in (or the dumb ass govt voluntarily lets them in), costs skyrocket and everyboyd gets punished.<br/><br/>Quite amusing that the UK can afford to pay for homeopathy but cant afford to pay for cancer treatments. if the UK is so hard up for money, tell me why they spend money on homeopathy, acupuncture, and a bunch of other BS treatments?

This is the inevitable consequence of a nationalized system. The quacks come into play (chiropractors, acupuncturists, etc) come begging for govt money. The courts force the govt to let them in (or the dumb ass govt voluntarily lets them in), costs skyrocket and everyboyd gets punished.

Quite amusing that the UK can afford to pay for homeopathy but cant afford to pay for cancer treatments.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/05/inevitable-nhs-forced-to-ration-care.html/comment-page-1#comment-74731 Anonymous Mon, 07 May 2007 23:15:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/05/inevitable-nhs-forced-to-ration-care.html#comment-74731 Those poor incontinent women in the UK. I can only imagine what the oder of urine and diapers can do to a crumpet and tea party. Those poor incontinent women in the UK. I can only imagine what the oder of urine and diapers can do to a crumpet and tea party.

]]> By: Dr John Crippen http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/05/inevitable-nhs-forced-to-ration-care.html/comment-page-1#comment-74722 Dr John Crippen Mon, 07 May 2007 21:42:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/05/inevitable-nhs-forced-to-ration-care.html#comment-74722 Not too much new here really. Most of these treatments have been next to unavailable for a long time - made unobtainable by long waiting lists<br/><br/>John Not too much new here really. Most of these treatments have been next to unavailable for a long time – made unobtainable by long waiting lists

John

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/05/inevitable-nhs-forced-to-ration-care.html/comment-page-1#comment-74721 Anonymous Mon, 07 May 2007 21:25:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/05/inevitable-nhs-forced-to-ration-care.html#comment-74721 Evan-<br/><br/>I've had three vein strippings performed over the last 28 years, all paid for by insurance. Chances are I'll need another operation in the next couple of years. I have an extreme case, and actually began to develop them in high school. I never knew they could grow back though.<br/><br/>Emmetropia Evan-

I’ve had three vein strippings performed over the last 28 years, all paid for by insurance. Chances are I’ll need another operation in the next couple of years. I have an extreme case, and actually began to develop them in high school. I never knew they could grow back though.

Emmetropia

]]> By: Evan http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/05/inevitable-nhs-forced-to-ration-care.html/comment-page-1#comment-74719 Evan Mon, 07 May 2007 20:11:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/05/inevitable-nhs-forced-to-ration-care.html#comment-74719 Oddly, I did read the link.<br/><br/>http://tinyurl.com/2ou8cg<br/><br/>http://tinyurl.com/2sxcf3<br/><br/>http://tinyurl.com/342ew5<br/><br/>If you're pressed for time just use the last link. I think you'll see that the case I am making is more than adequate to address your concerns.<br/><br/>Also ... separate issue that relates to many commenters on this site. Is it so hard to put in a name so that you can be addressed? Oddly, I did read the link.

http://tinyurl.com/2ou8cg

http://tinyurl.com/2sxcf3

http://tinyurl.com/342ew5

If you’re pressed for time just use the last link. I think you’ll see that the case I am making is more than adequate to address your concerns.

Also … separate issue that relates to many commenters on this site. Is it so hard to put in a name so that you can be addressed?

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