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		<title>By: Susana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 00:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Urinary Track Infections are a nuisance, but you can stop them naturally without the use of antibiotics.  Use preventive measures daily by drinking plenty of water, consume cranberry juice, take warm baths but don’t use bubble baths only use a cup of baking soda. Also limit your intake of coffee and soda. These simple measures are a natural preventive and effective way to keep those UTI’s out of your body!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If it is too late and the UTI already invaded your body, here’s a safe and natural way to rid the germs. There are many natural herbs that are extremely effective in the treatment and prevention of UTI&#039;s. Some of these have been used for centuries and many have been subjected to clinical trials that prove their effectiveness.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Find out more below:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://naturalsupply.blogspot.com/2007/05/natural-ways-to-stop-constant-and.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Urinary Track Infections are a nuisance, but you can stop them naturally without the use of antibiotics.  Use preventive measures daily by drinking plenty of water, consume cranberry juice, take warm baths but don’t use bubble baths only use a cup of baking soda. Also limit your intake of coffee and soda. These simple measures are a natural preventive and effective way to keep those UTI’s out of your body!</p>
<p>If it is too late and the UTI already invaded your body, here’s a safe and natural way to rid the germs. There are many natural herbs that are extremely effective in the treatment and prevention of UTI&#8217;s. Some of these have been used for centuries and many have been subjected to clinical trials that prove their effectiveness.</p>
<p>Find out more below:</p>
<p><a href="http://naturalsupply.blogspot.com/2007/05/natural-ways-to-stop-constant-and.html" rel="nofollow">http://naturalsupply.blogspot.com/2007/05/natural-ways-to-stop-constant-and.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 03:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What does &quot;mid-Atlantic&quot; mean?  Are you Madonna?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The above ER physician is correct in his(doubtful her) assessment of the incompetence of most patients.  Less than 5% of patients over 60 have available for even  scheduled appointments the three things he has listed.  And if I had a nickel for every time I heard, &quot;it&#039;s in the chart&quot;,....&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There is alot of bullshit and old information in the chart.  Why would we want  your medications from 1999?  Additionally, it is the rare clinic/ER that uses the same EMR.  If you want to risk your life asuming someone has information on you fine, but realize that you are responsible and to blame for your laziness.  The poor ER doctors are juggling the best they can.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Any bias Kevin has is from being a practicing physician.  Every general internist who reads this automatically sides with 99% of what he says.  Mostly because it is the truth.&lt;br/&gt;b</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does &#8220;mid-Atlantic&#8221; mean?  Are you Madonna?</p>
<p>The above ER physician is correct in his(doubtful her) assessment of the incompetence of most patients.  Less than 5% of patients over 60 have available for even  scheduled appointments the three things he has listed.  And if I had a nickel for every time I heard, &#8220;it&#8217;s in the chart&#8221;,&#8230;.</p>
<p>There is alot of bullshit and old information in the chart.  Why would we want  your medications from 1999?  Additionally, it is the rare clinic/ER that uses the same EMR.  If you want to risk your life asuming someone has information on you fine, but realize that you are responsible and to blame for your laziness.  The poor ER doctors are juggling the best they can.</p>
<p>Any bias Kevin has is from being a practicing physician.  Every general internist who reads this automatically sides with 99% of what he says.  Mostly because it is the truth.<br />b</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 21:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And my point is none of us in cyberspace know whether it was documented or not. Additionally, did the prescribing doctor have access to the medical chart? I regularly don&#039;t and have to ask the patient their allergies (which I do anyways). Heck, half the time people&#039;s medical chart isn&#039;t available (after hours in the clinic, another hospital, etc). &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;From the article: &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;Her family is now suing her Dr. Vora and Walgreens, claiming they should have known about her sulfa allergy from her medical chart. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Now we would assume it was documented in the chart based on that statement. But remember the two people involved in writing/quoted from in this article are A: the lawyer (hardly an unbiased source).2: the journalist. Based on my expericne with journalists writing medical related stories, they only get it right about half the time. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;MY POINT: Is you don&#039;t know what happened anymore than I do. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;MY OTHER POINT: Be an acitve consumer in your own health care. What does this mean? Have a list of the following memorized or written down&lt;br/&gt;1: your medication list&lt;br/&gt;2: your allergies&lt;br/&gt;3: your medical problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And my point is none of us in cyberspace know whether it was documented or not. Additionally, did the prescribing doctor have access to the medical chart? I regularly don&#8217;t and have to ask the patient their allergies (which I do anyways). Heck, half the time people&#8217;s medical chart isn&#8217;t available (after hours in the clinic, another hospital, etc). </p>
<p>From the article: </p>
<p>&#8220;Her family is now suing her Dr. Vora and Walgreens, claiming they should have known about her sulfa allergy from her medical chart. </p>
<p>Now we would assume it was documented in the chart based on that statement. But remember the two people involved in writing/quoted from in this article are A: the lawyer (hardly an unbiased source).2: the journalist. Based on my expericne with journalists writing medical related stories, they only get it right about half the time. </p>
<p>MY POINT: Is you don&#8217;t know what happened anymore than I do. </p>
<p>MY OTHER POINT: Be an acitve consumer in your own health care. What does this mean? Have a list of the following memorized or written down<br />1: your medication list<br />2: your allergies<br />3: your medical problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 15:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No doubt my mid-atlantic accent would confound speculations on my heritage, as well as my occasional use of &quot;s&quot;  instead of &quot;z&quot; and the odd extra &quot;u&quot;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Even an infrequent reader of this blog, let alone the poor souls forced to treat all comers, is familiar with red flags of drug-seekers who appear in the ER.   Those discussions always chap my hide, but I&#039;m guessing the reason it was brought up in this context is that the writer believes non-&quot;red flag&quot; patients less frequently announce their  allergies, or if they do, they might not be specific enough to warn off a physician.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Being psychic, or rather, reading the alleged complaint, it seems the patient&#039;s chart contained evidence of a prior hypersensitivity reaction to a sulpha med.  There are many reasons this might not have come to the bactrim-prescribing physicians attention...not my real point, although I&#039;m sure many interesting discussions could be had on how facilities can make sure physicians have complete drug histories, etc.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My point is really that the rarity of Stevens-Johnson syndrome is not a mitigating factor in the award of damages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No doubt my mid-atlantic accent would confound speculations on my heritage, as well as my occasional use of &#8220;s&#8221;  instead of &#8220;z&#8221; and the odd extra &#8220;u&#8221;.</p>
<p>Even an infrequent reader of this blog, let alone the poor souls forced to treat all comers, is familiar with red flags of drug-seekers who appear in the ER.   Those discussions always chap my hide, but I&#8217;m guessing the reason it was brought up in this context is that the writer believes non-&#8221;red flag&#8221; patients less frequently announce their  allergies, or if they do, they might not be specific enough to warn off a physician.</p>
<p>Being psychic, or rather, reading the alleged complaint, it seems the patient&#8217;s chart contained evidence of a prior hypersensitivity reaction to a sulpha med.  There are many reasons this might not have come to the bactrim-prescribing physicians attention&#8230;not my real point, although I&#8217;m sure many interesting discussions could be had on how facilities can make sure physicians have complete drug histories, etc.</p>
<p>My point is really that the rarity of Stevens-Johnson syndrome is not a mitigating factor in the award of damages.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/05/bactrim-for-uti-ends-in-death.html/comment-page-1#comment-74546</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 02:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hon, it is sul&quot;ph&quot;a in British English and sul&quot;f&quot;a in American English. Given, that the rest of your rant is written in American Emglish I suspect you live on this side of the pond. But we digress. I am not the anon who made the original comment about a &quot;toradol&quot; allergy but only demerol works for me. BUT, I too have heard that same line dozens of times in certain patient populations. As you have never practiced medicine in an ER, I don&#039;t expect you know that is what we in the biz call a &quot;red flag&quot;. About the patient&#039;s death, again, you, I, nor anybody on the internet really knows what happened here. Maybe it was written all over the chart and the doc screwed up. Maybe it was writen nowhere on the chart and the pateint denied the allergy. The simple fact is nobody here knows....Correct? That is unless you are some type of internet mind-reader. If so could you tell me if GW was lying about those weapons of mass destruction?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hon, it is sul&#8221;ph&#8221;a in British English and sul&#8221;f&#8221;a in American English. Given, that the rest of your rant is written in American Emglish I suspect you live on this side of the pond. But we digress. I am not the anon who made the original comment about a &#8220;toradol&#8221; allergy but only demerol works for me. BUT, I too have heard that same line dozens of times in certain patient populations. As you have never practiced medicine in an ER, I don&#8217;t expect you know that is what we in the biz call a &#8220;red flag&#8221;. About the patient&#8217;s death, again, you, I, nor anybody on the internet really knows what happened here. Maybe it was written all over the chart and the doc screwed up. Maybe it was writen nowhere on the chart and the pateint denied the allergy. The simple fact is nobody here knows&#8230;.Correct? That is unless you are some type of internet mind-reader. If so could you tell me if GW was lying about those weapons of mass destruction?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 20:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hon, &quot;Sulpha&quot; is a correct spelling, in many places preferred to &quot;sulfa.&quot; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think you are the one ranting.  You have my sympathy for your cynical views on allergy to NSAIDS, I&#039;m sure you come by them honsestly.  However, many persons lacking half a semester of med school do not realize that the medicine they are precribed will be dangerous to them if it has a different name than the original offender.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Should this patient failure excuse failure to maintain records and read them?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My rant, er, point, is that the rarity of the severe reaction in this patient is not a mitigating factor, so long as it is a forseeable consequence of the error committed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hon, &#8220;Sulpha&#8221; is a correct spelling, in many places preferred to &#8220;sulfa.&#8221; </p>
<p>I think you are the one ranting.  You have my sympathy for your cynical views on allergy to NSAIDS, I&#8217;m sure you come by them honsestly.  However, many persons lacking half a semester of med school do not realize that the medicine they are precribed will be dangerous to them if it has a different name than the original offender.  </p>
<p>Should this patient failure excuse failure to maintain records and read them?</p>
<p>My rant, er, point, is that the rarity of the severe reaction in this patient is not a mitigating factor, so long as it is a forseeable consequence of the error committed.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 18:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Try to remeber that it can the next time you feel like declaring a person&#039;s allergy to NSAIDS must be imaginary&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Spoken by someone who clearly has never worked one minute in an ER. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;PS: The rest of your rant is a statement of the obvious to anybody who has a semester of med school under their belt. The question is whether the sul&quot;f&quot;a allery was clearly documented or not. If so..end of story.  Neither you, I, or the rest of the internet know the answer to that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Try to remeber that it can the next time you feel like declaring a person&#8217;s allergy to NSAIDS must be imaginary&#8221;</p>
<p>Spoken by someone who clearly has never worked one minute in an ER. </p>
<p>PS: The rest of your rant is a statement of the obvious to anybody who has a semester of med school under their belt. The question is whether the sul&#8221;f&#8221;a allery was clearly documented or not. If so..end of story.  Neither you, I, or the rest of the internet know the answer to that one.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 16:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People seeking opiate highs isn&#039;t the issue here.   The woman had a documented hypersensitivity reaction to sulpha meds, was given them anyway, and she became ill (and died a nasty, painful death) because she was given this drug by doctors who ignored her chart.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I hear a somewhat lame defense that usually when doctors prescribe a drug like bactrim for a common UTI (an ordinary drug and a frequently seen illness), the patient doesn&#039;t get sick and die, or if she has a reaction she usually doesn&#039;t die, and that most people who react, even those who die, won&#039;t have had Stevens Johnson syndrome.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The fact remains, any patient who has had an apparently allergic reaction to a sulpha med should not get a sulpha med to treat a UTI. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Ignoring that history was an error,  an error contrary to the ordinary standard of care ( most doctors would agree that sulpha meds should not be given to a patient who had her history) and it led directly to a forseeable injury - a hypersensitivity reaction resulting in death.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I know its scary that an ordinary patient encounter,  common illness, common treatment, and most of all, the common error of not paying enough attention to drug allergy history, could result in this unusual, catastropic result.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Try to remeber that it can the next time you feel like declaring a person&#039;s allergy to NSAIDS must be imaginary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People seeking opiate highs isn&#8217;t the issue here.   The woman had a documented hypersensitivity reaction to sulpha meds, was given them anyway, and she became ill (and died a nasty, painful death) because she was given this drug by doctors who ignored her chart.  </p>
<p>I hear a somewhat lame defense that usually when doctors prescribe a drug like bactrim for a common UTI (an ordinary drug and a frequently seen illness), the patient doesn&#8217;t get sick and die, or if she has a reaction she usually doesn&#8217;t die, and that most people who react, even those who die, won&#8217;t have had Stevens Johnson syndrome.</p>
<p>The fact remains, any patient who has had an apparently allergic reaction to a sulpha med should not get a sulpha med to treat a UTI. </p>
<p>Ignoring that history was an error,  an error contrary to the ordinary standard of care ( most doctors would agree that sulpha meds should not be given to a patient who had her history) and it led directly to a forseeable injury &#8211; a hypersensitivity reaction resulting in death.</p>
<p>I know its scary that an ordinary patient encounter,  common illness, common treatment, and most of all, the common error of not paying enough attention to drug allergy history, could result in this unusual, catastropic result.</p>
<p>Try to remeber that it can the next time you feel like declaring a person&#8217;s allergy to NSAIDS must be imaginary.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 04:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone who thinks Kevin is not bias, is either new to this blog or they have absolutely no reading comprehension. Kevin is the most bias of all medical providers who blog.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt; Its laughable that someone can say he is not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who thinks Kevin is not bias, is either new to this blog or they have absolutely no reading comprehension. Kevin is the most bias of all medical providers who blog.</p>
<p> Its laughable that someone can say he is not.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 04:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the chart says &quot;sulfa allergy&quot; and it was prescribed then it is an error.  If the chart does not say that then someone dying of Steven Johnson syndrome is not malpractice.  Is a doctor supposed to predict an outcome???&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I work in ER, so most people I see are not playing with a full deck, or even half a deck.  Usually the only allergy known is &quot;Toradol&quot;, but &quot;demerol&quot; will work.  Someitmes patient will list &quot;antibiotics&quot; as an allergy and have no further clue about it.  Not particularly helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the chart says &#8220;sulfa allergy&#8221; and it was prescribed then it is an error.  If the chart does not say that then someone dying of Steven Johnson syndrome is not malpractice.  Is a doctor supposed to predict an outcome???</p>
<p>I work in ER, so most people I see are not playing with a full deck, or even half a deck.  Usually the only allergy known is &#8220;Toradol&#8221;, but &#8220;demerol&#8221; will work.  Someitmes patient will list &#8220;antibiotics&#8221; as an allergy and have no further clue about it.  Not particularly helpful.</p>
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