<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Defensive psychiatry</title> <atom:link href="http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/04/defensive-psychiatry.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/04/defensive-psychiatry.html</link> <description></description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:46:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/04/defensive-psychiatry.html#comment-73708</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 12:46:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/04/defensive-psychiatry.html#comment-73708</guid> <description>&quot;Doctors are paid to think and exercise judgements, not engage in kneejerk protocol application.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;A lot of doctors aren&#039;t paid for their ER work, which is why I don&#039;t do it anymore</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Doctors are paid to think and exercise judgements, not engage in kneejerk protocol application.&#8221;<br />A lot of doctors aren&#8217;t paid for their ER work, which is why I don&#8217;t do it anymore</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Michael Rack, MD</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/04/defensive-psychiatry.html#comment-73707</link> <dc:creator>Michael Rack, MD</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 12:42:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/04/defensive-psychiatry.html#comment-73707</guid> <description>Anonymous 10:08:&lt;br/&gt;I was exagerating a little in my comments above, and they apply to mainly to seeing unfamiliar patients in the ER.  When I was actively practicing primary care/outpatient psychiatry I sent patients home from the clinic with chest pain and with suicidal ideation (usually not both at the same time).  Homocidal ideation, however, I didn&#039;t compromise on.  Homocidal ideation, in any setting, usually gets you admitted.&lt;br/&gt;------------------</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous 10:08:<br />I was exagerating a little in my comments above, and they apply to mainly to seeing unfamiliar patients in the ER.  When I was actively practicing primary care/outpatient psychiatry I sent patients home from the clinic with chest pain and with suicidal ideation (usually not both at the same time).  Homocidal ideation, however, I didn&#8217;t compromise on.  Homocidal ideation, in any setting, usually gets you admitted.<br />&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/04/defensive-psychiatry.html#comment-73703</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 03:08:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/04/defensive-psychiatry.html#comment-73703</guid> <description>Rack:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Baloney.  Admission is a medical procedure that has risks as well as benefits.  Patients should be assessed before any procedure to determine if the risks exceed the benefits.  If they don&#039;t, then you don&#039;t do the procedure.  The risks if psychiatric hospitalization in a patient who is factitious are numerous including positive reinforcement of dyfunctional behavior, injury of or by other patients. opportunity  for further manipulation for drugs of abuse, reinforcement and reward of avoidance of responsibility.  In short, when it isn&#039;t needed, it may well make the patient worse.  The problem is that most admissions in my community don&#039;t include a qualified assessment.  The ER docs (understandably) just write &quot;SI&quot; and the psychiatrists often don&#039;t see the patient until three days after admission.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I treat patients in my office with &quot;SI&quot; every day of their lives, without admitting them to the hospital.  I have sent hundreds of patients home from ER&#039;s following wrist slashings, overdoses, and threats of the same without losing one.  Even if I did lose one, it doesn&#039;t mean that the risk wasn&#039;t worth it for avoiding the deleterius consequences of inpatient treatment.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Doctors are paid to think and exercise judgements, not engage in kneejerk protocol application.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rack:</p><p>Baloney.  Admission is a medical procedure that has risks as well as benefits.  Patients should be assessed before any procedure to determine if the risks exceed the benefits.  If they don&#8217;t, then you don&#8217;t do the procedure.  The risks if psychiatric hospitalization in a patient who is factitious are numerous including positive reinforcement of dyfunctional behavior, injury of or by other patients. opportunity  for further manipulation for drugs of abuse, reinforcement and reward of avoidance of responsibility.  In short, when it isn&#8217;t needed, it may well make the patient worse.  The problem is that most admissions in my community don&#8217;t include a qualified assessment.  The ER docs (understandably) just write &#8220;SI&#8221; and the psychiatrists often don&#8217;t see the patient until three days after admission.</p><p>I treat patients in my office with &#8220;SI&#8221; every day of their lives, without admitting them to the hospital.  I have sent hundreds of patients home from ER&#8217;s following wrist slashings, overdoses, and threats of the same without losing one.  Even if I did lose one, it doesn&#8217;t mean that the risk wasn&#8217;t worth it for avoiding the deleterius consequences of inpatient treatment.</p><p>Doctors are paid to think and exercise judgements, not engage in kneejerk protocol application.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/04/defensive-psychiatry.html#comment-73691</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 22:46:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/04/defensive-psychiatry.html#comment-73691</guid> <description>A common question is where do you admit a person that says they are thinking about killing themselves AND they have chest pain.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A common question is where do you admit a person that says they are thinking about killing themselves AND they have chest pain.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Michael Rack, MD</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/04/defensive-psychiatry.html#comment-73684</link> <dc:creator>Michael Rack, MD</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 17:03:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/04/defensive-psychiatry.html#comment-73684</guid> <description>Suicide is like chest pain, in terms of mandatory admission.  If someone tells you they are currently thinking about killing themselves, you have to admit them.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suicide is like chest pain, in terms of mandatory admission.  If someone tells you they are currently thinking about killing themselves, you have to admit them.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/04/defensive-psychiatry.html#comment-73680</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:34:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/04/defensive-psychiatry.html#comment-73680</guid> <description>Big, big, big and very expensive problem.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big, big, big and very expensive problem.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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