<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Some hospitals and nursing homes are asking patients to sign arbitration clauses prior to admission</title> <atom:link href="http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/03/some-hospitals-and-nursing-homes-are.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/03/some-hospitals-and-nursing-homes-are.html</link> <description></description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 22:28:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/03/some-hospitals-and-nursing-homes-are.html#comment-72519</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 19:14:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/03/some-hospitals-and-nursing-homes-are-asking-patients-to-sign-arbitration-clauses-prior-to-admission.html#comment-72519</guid> <description>&quot;Your statement is based on a very narrow sample: publicly traded nursing home facilities. This isn&#039;t close to being representative of the industry as a whole. That&#039;s how.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Well, since private ones don&#039;t report their income, that&#039;s about all we can go on, isn&#039;t it?  Do you have proof the other way?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As for when I set foot in a nursing home, several times.  I have clients who own them.  And they do very well.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Your statement is based on a very narrow sample: publicly traded nursing home facilities. This isn&#8217;t close to being representative of the industry as a whole. That&#8217;s how.&#8221;</p><p>Well, since private ones don&#8217;t report their income, that&#8217;s about all we can go on, isn&#8217;t it?  Do you have proof the other way?</p><p>As for when I set foot in a nursing home, several times.  I have clients who own them.  And they do very well.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/03/some-hospitals-and-nursing-homes-are.html#comment-72501</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 13:03:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/03/some-hospitals-and-nursing-homes-are-asking-patients-to-sign-arbitration-clauses-prior-to-admission.html#comment-72501</guid> <description>anon 07:28: As tom pointed out what is on yahoo finance is not close to what is the majority of nursing homes. But keep on using yahoo finance for your expertise. When is the last time YOU set foot in a nursing home? &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Anon 03:29: Please do read for comprehension. I never excused bad nursing home behavior. I pointed out two things: One, if &quot;loved ones&quot; had played an active role in the family member&#039;s care (ie. bothered to come by more than once a year), that much of the real abuse would have never happened. Two, what is termed &quot;abuse&quot; is in reality the very real difficulty of managing persons with severe and chronic immobility. But since you have no understanding of the subject, you really don&#039;t even know what is the &quot;bottom of the barrel&quot;.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anon 07:28: As tom pointed out what is on yahoo finance is not close to what is the majority of nursing homes. But keep on using yahoo finance for your expertise. When is the last time YOU set foot in a nursing home?</p><p>Anon 03:29: Please do read for comprehension. I never excused bad nursing home behavior. I pointed out two things: One, if &#8220;loved ones&#8221; had played an active role in the family member&#8217;s care (ie. bothered to come by more than once a year), that much of the real abuse would have never happened. Two, what is termed &#8220;abuse&#8221; is in reality the very real difficulty of managing persons with severe and chronic immobility. But since you have no understanding of the subject, you really don&#8217;t even know what is the &#8220;bottom of the barrel&#8221;.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/03/some-hospitals-and-nursing-homes-are.html#comment-72498</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 08:29:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/03/some-hospitals-and-nursing-homes-are-asking-patients-to-sign-arbitration-clauses-prior-to-admission.html#comment-72498</guid> <description>It sounds like you are admitting to abusive behavior unless there is a family member standing guard every minute.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thats a sad admission when you think you are justified in how you treat people based on who is watching you.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Bottom of the barrel!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like you are admitting to abusive behavior unless there is a family member standing guard every minute.</p><p>Thats a sad admission when you think you are justified in how you treat people based on who is watching you.</p><p>Bottom of the barrel!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tom Leith</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/03/some-hospitals-and-nursing-homes-are.html#comment-72497</link> <dc:creator>Tom Leith</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 06:14:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/03/some-hospitals-and-nursing-homes-are-asking-patients-to-sign-arbitration-clauses-prior-to-admission.html#comment-72497</guid> <description>&gt; but how does it disprove my&lt;br/&gt;&gt; statement that nursing homes&lt;br/&gt;&gt; are pretty profitable&lt;br/&gt;&gt; enterprises?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Your statement is based on a very narrow sample: publicly traded nursing home facilities. This isn&#039;t close to being representative of the industry as a whole. That&#039;s how.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;    t</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>> but how does it disprove my<br />> statement that nursing homes<br />> are pretty profitable<br />> enterprises?</p><p>Your statement is based on a very narrow sample: publicly traded nursing home facilities. This isn&#8217;t close to being representative of the industry as a whole. That&#8217;s how.</p><p> t</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/03/some-hospitals-and-nursing-homes-are.html#comment-72488</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 00:28:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/03/some-hospitals-and-nursing-homes-are-asking-patients-to-sign-arbitration-clauses-prior-to-admission.html#comment-72488</guid> <description>That&#039;s a nice rant, but how does it disprove my statement that nursing homes are pretty profitable enterprises?  And why wouldn&#039;t one go to Yahoo Finance to examine their balance sheets, since that&#039;s one of the best ways to look at a bunch of them easily?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m not questioning that families abandon their elderly.  It happens all the time.  But I&#039;m not sure what that has to do with the company who is receiving payment to care for these companies failing to do their jobs.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a nice rant, but how does it disprove my statement that nursing homes are pretty profitable enterprises?  And why wouldn&#8217;t one go to Yahoo Finance to examine their balance sheets, since that&#8217;s one of the best ways to look at a bunch of them easily?</p><p>I&#8217;m not questioning that families abandon their elderly.  It happens all the time.  But I&#8217;m not sure what that has to do with the company who is receiving payment to care for these companies failing to do their jobs.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/03/some-hospitals-and-nursing-homes-are.html#comment-72487</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 00:17:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/03/some-hospitals-and-nursing-homes-are-asking-patients-to-sign-arbitration-clauses-prior-to-admission.html#comment-72487</guid> <description>&quot;Seriously, take a look at most of their balance sheets. They are available at Yahoo Finance.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This is your idea of knowledge? Searching an internet engine and cherry-picking a few of the villa nursing home company&#039;s? Over the years I have taken care of hundreds of hospitalized patient&#039;s from nursing homes. Has there been at times problems with care...yes and I am not excusing poor care. However, I can&#039;t tell you the countless numbers of people who have been shuttled off to these facilities and totally forgotten about by their families. If they had simnply taken an active role in there loved ones care instead of forgetting about them many abuses would have never have happened. Additionally as happy pointed out, you can have the very BEST care and still have bed sores, etc. It is the problem with total immobility. But I wouldn&#039;t expect someone who is using yahoo finance as his expertise on the subject to have any clue what I am tlaking about.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Seriously, take a look at most of their balance sheets. They are available at Yahoo Finance.&#8221;</p><p>This is your idea of knowledge? Searching an internet engine and cherry-picking a few of the villa nursing home company&#8217;s? Over the years I have taken care of hundreds of hospitalized patient&#8217;s from nursing homes. Has there been at times problems with care&#8230;yes and I am not excusing poor care. However, I can&#8217;t tell you the countless numbers of people who have been shuttled off to these facilities and totally forgotten about by their families. If they had simnply taken an active role in there loved ones care instead of forgetting about them many abuses would have never have happened. Additionally as happy pointed out, you can have the very BEST care and still have bed sores, etc. It is the problem with total immobility. But I wouldn&#8217;t expect someone who is using yahoo finance as his expertise on the subject to have any clue what I am tlaking about.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/03/some-hospitals-and-nursing-homes-are.html#comment-72486</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 23:34:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/03/some-hospitals-and-nursing-homes-are-asking-patients-to-sign-arbitration-clauses-prior-to-admission.html#comment-72486</guid> <description>&quot;But this idea that nursing homes are racking in the dough is an utter fallacy.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Seriously, take a look at most of their balance sheets.  They are available at Yahoo Finance.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But this idea that nursing homes are racking in the dough is an utter fallacy.&#8221;</p><p>Seriously, take a look at most of their balance sheets.  They are available at Yahoo Finance.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Happyman</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/03/some-hospitals-and-nursing-homes-are.html#comment-72483</link> <dc:creator>Happyman</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 22:48:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/03/some-hospitals-and-nursing-homes-are-asking-patients-to-sign-arbitration-clauses-prior-to-admission.html#comment-72483</guid> <description>Another point - is it necessarily neglect if someone has or develops bedsores or ulcers? &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Perhaps nursing homes should screen out diabetics and those that are immobile - that&#039;d cut down the image of being neglectful dramatically, as even optimal care doesn&#039;t guarantee freedom from bedsores - e.g. remember Christopher Reeve, who died with infected bedsores? did he have substandard care?)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another point &#8211; is it necessarily neglect if someone has or develops bedsores or ulcers?</p><p>Perhaps nursing homes should screen out diabetics and those that are immobile &#8211; that&#8217;d cut down the image of being neglectful dramatically, as even optimal care doesn&#8217;t guarantee freedom from bedsores &#8211; e.g. remember Christopher Reeve, who died with infected bedsores? did he have substandard care?)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/03/some-hospitals-and-nursing-homes-are.html#comment-72473</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 17:03:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/03/some-hospitals-and-nursing-homes-are-asking-patients-to-sign-arbitration-clauses-prior-to-admission.html#comment-72473</guid> <description>I love the comments about nursing homes from people who don&#039;t know the system. Most nursing homes (the villas excepted) are not &quot;riduculously profitable&quot;. Especially the ones populated with medicaid patients. Giving the example of spending 5K per month a nursing home is the minority. Most patients in homes have long ago spent down and medicaid is picking up the tab not families. Does that justify poor treatment...no. But this idea that nursing homes are racking in the dough is an utter fallacy. The last question is if your grandpa was being mistreated by the nursing home...then where were you when this was happening? Typical american &quot;blame somebody else&quot; after the fact instead of advocating for your loved one at the time.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the comments about nursing homes from people who don&#8217;t know the system. Most nursing homes (the villas excepted) are not &#8220;riduculously profitable&#8221;. Especially the ones populated with medicaid patients. Giving the example of spending 5K per month a nursing home is the minority. Most patients in homes have long ago spent down and medicaid is picking up the tab not families. Does that justify poor treatment&#8230;no. But this idea that nursing homes are racking in the dough is an utter fallacy. The last question is if your grandpa was being mistreated by the nursing home&#8230;then where were you when this was happening? Typical american &#8220;blame somebody else&#8221; after the fact instead of advocating for your loved one at the time.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/03/some-hospitals-and-nursing-homes-are.html#comment-72471</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 05:32:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/03/some-hospitals-and-nursing-homes-are-asking-patients-to-sign-arbitration-clauses-prior-to-admission.html#comment-72471</guid> <description>&quot; It&#039;s hard and even occasionally demeaning and risky to take care of these folks (not to mention it&#039;s like the lowest paying job in america).&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And yet nursing homes are ridiculously profitable.  I&#039;m sure they can&#039;t spare a buck to increase that pay.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; It&#8217;s hard and even occasionally demeaning and risky to take care of these folks (not to mention it&#8217;s like the lowest paying job in america).&#8221;</p><p>And yet nursing homes are ridiculously profitable.  I&#8217;m sure they can&#8217;t spare a buck to increase that pay.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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