Comments on: A patient is fed up with DTC ads http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/03/patient-is-fed-up-with-dtc-ads.html medical blog Mon, 22 Mar 2010 14:47:15 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Happyman http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/03/patient-is-fed-up-with-dtc-ads.html/comment-page-1#comment-73034 Happyman Tue, 20 Mar 2007 01:09:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/03/a-patient-is-fed-up-with-dtc-ads.html#comment-73034 Lisa,<br/><br/>do you really think the ads are "educational"??? they are either for<br/><br/>1: "lifestyle" drugs for sleep & hard-ons; or<br/>2: "me-too" drugs like the purple pill nexium (w/dr.mandy patinkin from chicago hope) or lipitor - drugs that have much cheaper equivalents that have been on the market for years and are as effective (e.g. prilosec, now over-the-counter and like a tenth the cost of nexium)<br/><br/>pfizer doesn't even hide the fact that they're marketing viagra as an afrodisiac rather than a legitimate treatment for erectile dysfunction. They air on primetime tv with the most expensive ad time available - because pfizer & glaxo & astrazeneca etc. know they can get laypeople to feel empowered to push their doctor to prescribe anything.<br/><br/>and you know what? it works like a charm. <br/><br/>i heard there are cialis ads in SEVENTEEN magazine. i never heard of an organic-based erectile dysfunction among adolescents, but i'm not a pediatrician.<br/><br/>the phenomenon sickens me, as hopefully it does most primary care doctors.<br/><br/>http://www.nofreelunch.org/ Lisa,

do you really think the ads are “educational”??? they are either for

1: “lifestyle” drugs for sleep & hard-ons; or
2: “me-too” drugs like the purple pill nexium (w/dr.mandy patinkin from chicago hope) or lipitor – drugs that have much cheaper equivalents that have been on the market for years and are as effective (e.g. prilosec, now over-the-counter and like a tenth the cost of nexium)

pfizer doesn’t even hide the fact that they’re marketing viagra as an afrodisiac rather than a legitimate treatment for erectile dysfunction. They air on primetime tv with the most expensive ad time available – because pfizer & glaxo & astrazeneca etc. know they can get laypeople to feel empowered to push their doctor to prescribe anything.

and you know what? it works like a charm.

i heard there are cialis ads in SEVENTEEN magazine. i never heard of an organic-based erectile dysfunction among adolescents, but i’m not a pediatrician.

the phenomenon sickens me, as hopefully it does most primary care doctors.

http://www.nofreelunch.org/

]]> By: Lisa http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/03/patient-is-fed-up-with-dtc-ads.html/comment-page-1#comment-73024 Lisa Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:46:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/03/a-patient-is-fed-up-with-dtc-ads.html#comment-73024 Happyman,<br/>I'm not claiming that I know everything and don't need a doctor. But I don't expect my doctor to know everything, either. If that were true there would be no such thing as the second opinion (did you know that if you seek opinions from different doctors they actually offer you different options?) I prefer to be an educated patient, able to intelligently discuss my options with my physician, especially since I have a complex disease. Do most doctors out there really have a problem with that? Would physicians prefer patients who merely do as they're told, and trust that the options one doctor offers are all that's out there? Happyman,
I’m not claiming that I know everything and don’t need a doctor. But I don’t expect my doctor to know everything, either. If that were true there would be no such thing as the second opinion (did you know that if you seek opinions from different doctors they actually offer you different options?) I prefer to be an educated patient, able to intelligently discuss my options with my physician, especially since I have a complex disease. Do most doctors out there really have a problem with that? Would physicians prefer patients who merely do as they’re told, and trust that the options one doctor offers are all that’s out there?

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/03/patient-is-fed-up-with-dtc-ads.html/comment-page-1#comment-73016 Anonymous Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:34:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/03/a-patient-is-fed-up-with-dtc-ads.html#comment-73016 "The conclusion that Vioxx was dangerous could only have been reach through epidemiology."<br/><br/>Nonsense. To hide the lack of knowledge of one's understanding of the deterministic processes governing the function of Vioxx behind epidemiology is purely fallacious. Again, what purpose do the gatekeepers serve if they don't perform the function of gatekeeping? “The conclusion that Vioxx was dangerous could only have been reach through epidemiology.”

Nonsense. To hide the lack of knowledge of one’s understanding of the deterministic processes governing the function of Vioxx behind epidemiology is purely fallacious. Again, what purpose do the gatekeepers serve if they don’t perform the function of gatekeeping?

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/03/patient-is-fed-up-with-dtc-ads.html/comment-page-1#comment-73009 Anonymous Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:24:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/03/a-patient-is-fed-up-with-dtc-ads.html#comment-73009 You scientific illiteracy is showing.<br/><br/>If you think that the correct conclusion can be reached about Vioxx by mere conjecture or an understanding of the biochemistry ivolved, then you do not have enough of a scientific background to have meaningful opinion on the topic.<br/><br/>The conclusion that Vioxx was dangerous could only have been reach through epidemiology. Fact is that the manufacturer burried this evidence while, at the same time, advertising so hard that Vioxx became the single most requested med in my office (even more than Viagra). You scientific illiteracy is showing.

If you think that the correct conclusion can be reached about Vioxx by mere conjecture or an understanding of the biochemistry ivolved, then you do not have enough of a scientific background to have meaningful opinion on the topic.

The conclusion that Vioxx was dangerous could only have been reach through epidemiology. Fact is that the manufacturer burried this evidence while, at the same time, advertising so hard that Vioxx became the single most requested med in my office (even more than Viagra).

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/03/patient-is-fed-up-with-dtc-ads.html/comment-page-1#comment-73003 Anonymous Mon, 19 Mar 2007 05:32:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/03/a-patient-is-fed-up-with-dtc-ads.html#comment-73003 Here is how it works. If you want to play gatekeeper than no excuses are acceptable (kind of like auditioning for the part of diety, no mortal mistakes are acceptable). If you don't know enough about the underlying biochemistry of what it is that you are prescribing (hint: all of those years of purported schooling) than please don't apply for the part of gatekeeper. It is beyond amazing to see how many of the sheeple are in support for being led by the nose when it comes to being uninformed (is ignorance a virtue in this country these days) and failing to hold accountable to the same degree as the privileges to whom such are granted. Here is how it works. If you want to play gatekeeper than no excuses are acceptable (kind of like auditioning for the part of diety, no mortal mistakes are acceptable). If you don’t know enough about the underlying biochemistry of what it is that you are prescribing (hint: all of those years of purported schooling) than please don’t apply for the part of gatekeeper. It is beyond amazing to see how many of the sheeple are in support for being led by the nose when it comes to being uninformed (is ignorance a virtue in this country these days) and failing to hold accountable to the same degree as the privileges to whom such are granted.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/03/patient-is-fed-up-with-dtc-ads.html/comment-page-1#comment-72999 Anonymous Mon, 19 Mar 2007 01:27:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/03/a-patient-is-fed-up-with-dtc-ads.html#comment-72999 VIOXX? Indeed it was the manufacturer's fault:<br/>1. they hid information from the FDA<br/>2. they had panel agents in their pocket<br/>3. they had lobbyists in the agency as well as in your living room and magazines in the form of DTC advertising with Dorothy skating to your and her hearts' content [and peril?] LMAO VIOXX? Indeed it was the manufacturer’s fault:
1. they hid information from the FDA
2. they had panel agents in their pocket
3. they had lobbyists in the agency as well as in your living room and magazines in the form of DTC advertising with Dorothy skating to your and her hearts’ content [and peril?] LMAO

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/03/patient-is-fed-up-with-dtc-ads.html/comment-page-1#comment-72998 Anonymous Mon, 19 Mar 2007 01:21:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/03/a-patient-is-fed-up-with-dtc-ads.html#comment-72998 RIGHT ON, HAPPYMAN! Wonder how to lessen these "preauthorizations" fueled by idiotic demands by public who believes that just because they pay insurance premiums or on the gov't dole, they can decide for themselves what treatments they need. Of course, you're not a "nice" doctor if you do not pander to their demands...and they will go to the next minute clinic down the corner. Oh, life! RIGHT ON, HAPPYMAN! Wonder how to lessen these “preauthorizations” fueled by idiotic demands by public who believes that just because they pay insurance premiums or on the gov’t dole, they can decide for themselves what treatments they need. Of course, you’re not a “nice” doctor if you do not pander to their demands…and they will go to the next minute clinic down the corner. Oh, life!

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/03/patient-is-fed-up-with-dtc-ads.html/comment-page-1#comment-72995 Anonymous Sun, 18 Mar 2007 20:56:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/03/a-patient-is-fed-up-with-dtc-ads.html#comment-72995 "Trust?"<br/><br/>What an odd piece of terminology for inclusion in the subject discussion. Here is what I "trust." I trust that providers, like any other group of people will work to keep enhance their fiscal and societal status by any and all means at their disposal. That is as far as trust goes. Perhaps ye should be judged by the level of self-import that ye put out? Yet, and unsurprisingly, there is always an excuse when gatekeeping goes bad. How is that the virtuous gatekeepers did not know about the problems with Vioxx? Let me guess, it was the manufacturer's fault... “Trust?”

What an odd piece of terminology for inclusion in the subject discussion. Here is what I “trust.” I trust that providers, like any other group of people will work to keep enhance their fiscal and societal status by any and all means at their disposal. That is as far as trust goes. Perhaps ye should be judged by the level of self-import that ye put out? Yet, and unsurprisingly, there is always an excuse when gatekeeping goes bad. How is that the virtuous gatekeepers did not know about the problems with Vioxx? Let me guess, it was the manufacturer’s fault…

]]> By: Happyman http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/03/patient-is-fed-up-with-dtc-ads.html/comment-page-1#comment-72992 Happyman Sun, 18 Mar 2007 14:57:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/03/a-patient-is-fed-up-with-dtc-ads.html#comment-72992 There is a reason that these products are restricted to prescription status. <br/><br/>If non-doctors want to decide which drugs are right for them, perhaps the fight should be against the fda - to push for ambien, lunesta, viagra etc. to be over-the-counter (i think that'd be crazy, but if you want to trust everybody to not be "idiotic sheep" and interpret all the medical info out there, that's the way to go)<br/><br/>by the way, there are sites like medameds.com where you can "order" viagra etc. - i don't know how they get away with that but if you want to bypass your doctor for this crap, go ahead!<br/><br/>cut me out of the loop if you "know" that ambien or cialis etc is what you need. then i won't need to go through all the stupid ordeals with your insurance company to convince them you need a drug that you don't. There is a reason that these products are restricted to prescription status.

If non-doctors want to decide which drugs are right for them, perhaps the fight should be against the fda – to push for ambien, lunesta, viagra etc. to be over-the-counter (i think that’d be crazy, but if you want to trust everybody to not be “idiotic sheep” and interpret all the medical info out there, that’s the way to go)

by the way, there are sites like medameds.com where you can “order” viagra etc. – i don’t know how they get away with that but if you want to bypass your doctor for this crap, go ahead!

cut me out of the loop if you “know” that ambien or cialis etc is what you need. then i won’t need to go through all the stupid ordeals with your insurance company to convince them you need a drug that you don’t.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/03/patient-is-fed-up-with-dtc-ads.html/comment-page-1#comment-72985 Anonymous Sun, 18 Mar 2007 04:15:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/03/a-patient-is-fed-up-with-dtc-ads.html#comment-72985 Nothing, Lisa. Physicians just don't have much respect for the intellect of the public. Nothing, Lisa. Physicians just don’t have much respect for the intellect of the public.

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