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		<title>By: Conciergedoc</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/03/google-your-patients.html/comment-page-1#comment-72479</link>
		<dc:creator>Conciergedoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 21:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If problem patients zare such a big issue in this new p4p world, why not start an anonymous site called, www.ratethepatient.com instead???&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The domain is there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If problem patients zare such a big issue in this new p4p world, why not start an anonymous site called, <a href="http://www.ratethepatient.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.ratethepatient.com</a> instead???</p>
<p>The domain is there.</p>
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		<title>By: [mt]</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/03/google-your-patients.html/comment-page-1#comment-72472</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 08:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>except they use &lt;i&gt;Google local search&lt;/i&gt; (not Google on the web) installed on their intranet site to find their employee data.. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>except they use <i>Google local search</i> (not Google on the web) installed on their intranet site to find their employee data.. <img src='http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/03/google-your-patients.html/comment-page-1#comment-72456</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 23:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a private investigator, I&#039;d never &#039;google&#039; a person anyway - what a waste of my time!  Docs, stick with what you know best - MEDICINE and leave the investigations to those of us trained to do so.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It never hurts to follow your gut feelings about your own safety, however - if a patient &#039;feels&#039; like a baddie, they quite likely are.  You ARE the most educated bunch around, use your marbles.  If in doubt, call a PI!  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Or better yet, TALK to the patient and LISTEN to the patient.  What is a &#039;difficult&#039; patient to one doctor may be the one who makes the next doctor laugh and brightens his day!  I&#039;ve seen it.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So, pull up your britches, boys, your paranoia is showing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a private investigator, I&#8217;d never &#8216;google&#8217; a person anyway &#8211; what a waste of my time!  Docs, stick with what you know best &#8211; MEDICINE and leave the investigations to those of us trained to do so.  </p>
<p>It never hurts to follow your gut feelings about your own safety, however &#8211; if a patient &#8216;feels&#8217; like a baddie, they quite likely are.  You ARE the most educated bunch around, use your marbles.  If in doubt, call a PI!  </p>
<p>Or better yet, TALK to the patient and LISTEN to the patient.  What is a &#8216;difficult&#8217; patient to one doctor may be the one who makes the next doctor laugh and brightens his day!  I&#8217;ve seen it.  </p>
<p>So, pull up your britches, boys, your paranoia is showing.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/03/google-your-patients.html/comment-page-1#comment-72437</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 16:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is ethically no different than hearing rumors and stories about people in the community, from other patients, etc and then having them come to your office for care.  As a physician, you have a deep appreciation for the full range of human character, lifestyle, opinion, etc and, unless you are disqualified by an excess of judgementalism for the profession, are not perturbed by it excess where it impacts the illness and  your treatment of it.  You also have the good sense to consider everything you hear and read about people to be of questionable reliability and possibly blatantly untrue.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I can&#039;t imagine anyone who isn&#039;t a psychologically impaired physician letting a patients political opinions affect him.  The idea that everything you need to know is in the medical record is absolutely silly.  Nothing is in the medical record until a profesional discovers the information and puts it there.  You need to know if someone is a habitual liar or prescription drug abuser, you need to know if someone is reliably compliant or self-destructive   in planning treatment.  How many people come in and announce that they have Munchausen&#039;s?  That they have a history of insurance fraud?  That they  have prior convictions for forging prescriptions.  Google is not a good way to find out these things but in principle, the the usage of collateral sources of information when they can be found is good medicine.  Limiting your history to what is already in the medical record is substandard care without seeking to extend, add to, and access the accuracy of the history is sloppy sloppy medicine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is ethically no different than hearing rumors and stories about people in the community, from other patients, etc and then having them come to your office for care.  As a physician, you have a deep appreciation for the full range of human character, lifestyle, opinion, etc and, unless you are disqualified by an excess of judgementalism for the profession, are not perturbed by it excess where it impacts the illness and  your treatment of it.  You also have the good sense to consider everything you hear and read about people to be of questionable reliability and possibly blatantly untrue.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t imagine anyone who isn&#8217;t a psychologically impaired physician letting a patients political opinions affect him.  The idea that everything you need to know is in the medical record is absolutely silly.  Nothing is in the medical record until a profesional discovers the information and puts it there.  You need to know if someone is a habitual liar or prescription drug abuser, you need to know if someone is reliably compliant or self-destructive   in planning treatment.  How many people come in and announce that they have Munchausen&#8217;s?  That they have a history of insurance fraud?  That they  have prior convictions for forging prescriptions.  Google is not a good way to find out these things but in principle, the the usage of collateral sources of information when they can be found is good medicine.  Limiting your history to what is already in the medical record is substandard care without seeking to extend, add to, and access the accuracy of the history is sloppy sloppy medicine.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/03/google-your-patients.html/comment-page-1#comment-72432</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 14:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is silly. When I google my own name, page after page comes up. None of these people are me.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So, if you google someone and find them to be undesireable then you are going to make the assumption that this is your patient when it very well may not be? This is dangerous and if you have time to google all your patients and read everything you find that most likely isn&#039;t even about them then surely you have time to call &quot;next patient&quot; rather than keep a full waiting room waiting for hours on end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is silly. When I google my own name, page after page comes up. None of these people are me.</p>
<p>So, if you google someone and find them to be undesireable then you are going to make the assumption that this is your patient when it very well may not be? This is dangerous and if you have time to google all your patients and read everything you find that most likely isn&#8217;t even about them then surely you have time to call &#8220;next patient&#8221; rather than keep a full waiting room waiting for hours on end.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/03/google-your-patients.html/comment-page-1#comment-72431</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 13:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very strange subject. Disagree completely with the comment that &quot;anything that tells me more about my patient is a good thing -- for the patient.&quot; Suppose you&#039;re staunchly conservative and pro-life, and your little Google dance turns up suggestions that your patient favors abortion rights. Now you&#039;ve got a conflict that never needed to be there.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Any info you need should be in the medical record. No reason to go anywhere else except out of voyeurism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very strange subject. Disagree completely with the comment that &#8220;anything that tells me more about my patient is a good thing &#8212; for the patient.&#8221; Suppose you&#8217;re staunchly conservative and pro-life, and your little Google dance turns up suggestions that your patient favors abortion rights. Now you&#8217;ve got a conflict that never needed to be there.</p>
<p>Any info you need should be in the medical record. No reason to go anywhere else except out of voyeurism.</p>
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		<title>By: beajerry</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/03/google-your-patients.html/comment-page-1#comment-72430</link>
		<dc:creator>beajerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 09:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting dilemma - bypassing HIPPA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting dilemma &#8211; bypassing HIPPA.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/03/google-your-patients.html/comment-page-1#comment-72424</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 04:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; problem I can think of: How to be sure that John Markson you found on Google is the John Markson in your ED? &lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;ITA. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have a fairly common last name, and a first name that is common in Russia, but relatively uncommon in the US except among Russian immigrants. But to an American my first name sounds rare, so I&#039;d imagine if you find my name on google you&#039;d think it is me.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Out of curiosity I did just that. I have a couple of published  papers, so there are a few immediate hits for conference proceedings. But a couple of pages later, there is some girl with exactly the same name who is listed as a TA for a course in my field. It could&#039;ve easily been me 20 years ago, except for the hit is from 2002 and for a class I&#039;ve never TAd. Then, there is somebody with the same name who signed some petition for Bush - the last thing I am likely to do. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thankfully there are no hits to worry about, but one never knows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> problem I can think of: How to be sure that John Markson you found on Google is the John Markson in your ED? </i><br />ITA. </p>
<p>I have a fairly common last name, and a first name that is common in Russia, but relatively uncommon in the US except among Russian immigrants. But to an American my first name sounds rare, so I&#8217;d imagine if you find my name on google you&#8217;d think it is me.</p>
<p>Out of curiosity I did just that. I have a couple of published  papers, so there are a few immediate hits for conference proceedings. But a couple of pages later, there is some girl with exactly the same name who is listed as a TA for a course in my field. It could&#8217;ve easily been me 20 years ago, except for the hit is from 2002 and for a class I&#8217;ve never TAd. Then, there is somebody with the same name who signed some petition for Bush &#8211; the last thing I am likely to do. </p>
<p>Thankfully there are no hits to worry about, but one never knows.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/03/google-your-patients.html/comment-page-1#comment-72421</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 04:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is good to know if someone has a history of fraudulent, violent, or substance abusing behavior.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I am sure some sick people would have a hard time getting care were it easy to do so, but if the information is available and helps me do my job better as a physician, secure my personal safety as a human being, or protect my assets for my family, then I would be irresponsible to fail to seek use it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is good to know if someone has a history of fraudulent, violent, or substance abusing behavior.  </p>
<p>I am sure some sick people would have a hard time getting care were it easy to do so, but if the information is available and helps me do my job better as a physician, secure my personal safety as a human being, or protect my assets for my family, then I would be irresponsible to fail to seek use it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/03/google-your-patients.html/comment-page-1#comment-72420</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 04:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>..and why would you want to google your patient? What could you learn that could be useful or relevant to the treatment? I suppose if you learn of a criminal tendency, that might be something, but what if all you learn is something that doesn&#039;t affect their healthcare? &lt;br/&gt;I don&#039;t think the rewards can balance the time needed to research the patient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>..and why would you want to google your patient? What could you learn that could be useful or relevant to the treatment? I suppose if you learn of a criminal tendency, that might be something, but what if all you learn is something that doesn&#8217;t affect their healthcare? <br />I don&#8217;t think the rewards can balance the time needed to research the patient.</p>
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