<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Gastroenterologists making less than golf instructors?</title> <atom:link href="http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/02/gastroenterologists-making-less-than.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/02/gastroenterologists-making-less-than.html</link> <description></description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 23:00:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/02/gastroenterologists-making-less-than.html#comment-71511</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 01:38:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/02/gastroenterologists-making-less-than-golf-instructors.html#comment-71511</guid> <description>deoxy: &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You are right except for one thing:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We don&#039;t have to accept Medicare, Medicaid, or managed care contracts.  I have made a firm commitment to providing my services in the context of privacy and economic freedom.  When the market doesn&#039;t support it or the law makes it illegal, I will leave medicine.  So far, my patients love it.  The ones that don&#039;t, aren&#039;t my patients--they go to someone who doesn&#039;t have the professional pride to take risks for the sake of autonomy and optimal quality of care.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But I am not a big enough fool to feel entitled to make a living doing it my way.  I keep my eye on options.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>deoxy:</p><p>You are right except for one thing:</p><p>We don&#8217;t have to accept Medicare, Medicaid, or managed care contracts.  I have made a firm commitment to providing my services in the context of privacy and economic freedom.  When the market doesn&#8217;t support it or the law makes it illegal, I will leave medicine.  So far, my patients love it.  The ones that don&#8217;t, aren&#8217;t my patients&#8211;they go to someone who doesn&#8217;t have the professional pride to take risks for the sake of autonomy and optimal quality of care.</p><p>But I am not a big enough fool to feel entitled to make a living doing it my way.  I keep my eye on options.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/02/gastroenterologists-making-less-than.html#comment-71510</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 01:32:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/02/gastroenterologists-making-less-than-golf-instructors.html#comment-71510</guid> <description>That is because we trained people to think that way.  I found that the very same people who would gladly pay $80 for dinner for two or an extra 2000 for a TV they don&#039;t need would whine about an extra 5$ copay for their doctor visit.  I then found that when I stopped going along with that devaluation of my services, quite accepting insurance discounts, and ran a quality on-time operation with the expectation of being paid properly for it, plenty of people showed up who wanted that and were willing to pay for it.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In fact I get less whining about 80$ cash visits now than I did about 20 dollar co-payments.  In the latter case, people saw me as an extension of the insurance company which they had already paid, a utility to which they were entitled greedily squeezing a couple more dollars.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Now they see me as a professional with whom they have a private relationship charging a fee that is a reasonable rental of my 24 years of education and 20 years experience.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is because we trained people to think that way.  I found that the very same people who would gladly pay $80 for dinner for two or an extra 2000 for a TV they don&#8217;t need would whine about an extra 5$ copay for their doctor visit.  I then found that when I stopped going along with that devaluation of my services, quite accepting insurance discounts, and ran a quality on-time operation with the expectation of being paid properly for it, plenty of people showed up who wanted that and were willing to pay for it.</p><p>In fact I get less whining about 80$ cash visits now than I did about 20 dollar co-payments.  In the latter case, people saw me as an extension of the insurance company which they had already paid, a utility to which they were entitled greedily squeezing a couple more dollars.</p><p>Now they see me as a professional with whom they have a private relationship charging a fee that is a reasonable rental of my 24 years of education and 20 years experience.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: deoxy</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/02/gastroenterologists-making-less-than.html#comment-71486</link> <dc:creator>deoxy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 16:01:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/02/gastroenterologists-making-less-than-golf-instructors.html#comment-71486</guid> <description>The problm with all of these &quot;well, that&#039;s supply and demand&quot; comments is that... it ISN&#039;T supply and demand.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The reasons doctors make so little (for what they do) is that the government has gotten in the way.  The gold instructors are free to charge what they want, but doctors aren&#039;t.  (Medicaid, Medicare, etc, effect the prices of things... greatly.)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So yeah, doctors are going to leave the profession, because they are smart, hard-working types (mostly) who could quit easily find another job that either pays more, takes less effort, or both.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you are saying that it&#039;s OK that they make less because of supply and demand, your own argument has just said it&#039;s also OK for them to go find another job, so don&#039;t complain whn they do.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problm with all of these &#8220;well, that&#8217;s supply and demand&#8221; comments is that&#8230; it ISN&#8217;T supply and demand.</p><p>The reasons doctors make so little (for what they do) is that the government has gotten in the way.  The gold instructors are free to charge what they want, but doctors aren&#8217;t.  (Medicaid, Medicare, etc, effect the prices of things&#8230; greatly.)</p><p>So yeah, doctors are going to leave the profession, because they are smart, hard-working types (mostly) who could quit easily find another job that either pays more, takes less effort, or both.</p><p>If you are saying that it&#8217;s OK that they make less because of supply and demand, your own argument has just said it&#8217;s also OK for them to go find another job, so don&#8217;t complain whn they do.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/02/gastroenterologists-making-less-than.html#comment-71478</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 11:59:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/02/gastroenterologists-making-less-than-golf-instructors.html#comment-71478</guid> <description>&quot;If people will not pay it, you need to find something else to do.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Considering that most patients don&#039;t even want to pay their copay, guess we&#039;d end up with no docs at all.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If people will not pay it, you need to find something else to do.&#8221;</p><p>Considering that most patients don&#8217;t even want to pay their copay, guess we&#8217;d end up with no docs at all.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/02/gastroenterologists-making-less-than.html#comment-71470</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 06:24:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/02/gastroenterologists-making-less-than-golf-instructors.html#comment-71470</guid> <description>Charge what you think your service is worth.  If people come and pay it.  You should be happy no matter what the next guy is making in comparison.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If people will not pay it, you need to find something else to do.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charge what you think your service is worth.  If people come and pay it.  You should be happy no matter what the next guy is making in comparison.</p><p>If people will not pay it, you need to find something else to do.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/02/gastroenterologists-making-less-than.html#comment-71448</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 00:41:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/02/gastroenterologists-making-less-than-golf-instructors.html#comment-71448</guid> <description>&quot;Actually, the average jury verdict is $30,000. For med mal, it&#039;s about $300K, but you only win one out of every four. I doubt you could afford it.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;OK. 25% of $300k is $75k. $75k for a CABG is reasonable, unfortunately Medicare reimburses only $1800!! I&#039;ll take the $75k anyday.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&quot;Facts are your friend.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Actually, with jury based reimbursements, like the lawyers have, I would have to say jurors would be my best friend! Forget about the facts...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Actually, the average jury verdict is $30,000. For med mal, it&#8217;s about $300K, but you only win one out of every four. I doubt you could afford it.&#8221;</p><p>OK. 25% of $300k is $75k. $75k for a CABG is reasonable, unfortunately Medicare reimburses only $1800!! I&#8217;ll take the $75k anyday.</p><p>&#8220;Facts are your friend.&#8221;</p><p>Actually, with jury based reimbursements, like the lawyers have, I would have to say jurors would be my best friend! Forget about the facts&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/02/gastroenterologists-making-less-than.html#comment-71446</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 23:53:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/02/gastroenterologists-making-less-than-golf-instructors.html#comment-71446</guid> <description>What are your total receipts?  And what did you bill and not contract to write down that was uncollected? (ie. a bill for $1000 that you agreed with the insurer ahead of time you would accept $200 doesn&#039;t count.)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are your total receipts?  And what did you bill and not contract to write down that was uncollected? (ie. a bill for $1000 that you agreed with the insurer ahead of time you would accept $200 doesn&#8217;t count.)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/02/gastroenterologists-making-less-than.html#comment-71444</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 23:29:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/02/gastroenterologists-making-less-than-golf-instructors.html#comment-71444</guid> <description>&quot;Physicians get paid no matter how poor a job they do. And they still bitch about how much they are paid.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Don&#039;t even assume every patient pays us. Docs get stiffed all the time. And let&#039;s not forget the free care provided to patients in the hospital, which we&#039;re required to provide. So, yeah, I&#039;m gonna bitch about my lousy receipts.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Physicians get paid no matter how poor a job they do. And they still bitch about how much they are paid.&#8221;</p><p>Don&#8217;t even assume every patient pays us. Docs get stiffed all the time. And let&#8217;s not forget the free care provided to patients in the hospital, which we&#8217;re required to provide. So, yeah, I&#8217;m gonna bitch about my lousy receipts.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/02/gastroenterologists-making-less-than.html#comment-71440</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 20:54:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/02/gastroenterologists-making-less-than-golf-instructors.html#comment-71440</guid> <description>Actually, the average jury verdict is $30,000.  For med mal, it&#039;s about $300K, but you only win one out of every four.  I doubt you could afford it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Facts are your friend.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the average jury verdict is $30,000.  For med mal, it&#8217;s about $300K, but you only win one out of every four.  I doubt you could afford it.</p><p>Facts are your friend.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/02/gastroenterologists-making-less-than.html#comment-71438</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 20:41:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2007/02/gastroenterologists-making-less-than-golf-instructors.html#comment-71438</guid> <description>Maybe we should leave the fee a doctor gets paid up to a 12 person jury. I can see it now, coronary bypass $1mil, renal transplant $750k...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe we should leave the fee a doctor gets paid up to a 12 person jury. I can see it now, coronary bypass $1mil, renal transplant $750k&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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