Comments on: The fallacy of juries "sending a message" http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/12/fallacy-of-juries-sending-message.html Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:39:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: REALITYhttp://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/12/fallacy-of-juries-sending-message.html#comment-73860 REALITY Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:29:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/12/the-fallacy-of-juries-sending-a-message.html#comment-73860 MY DAD PAID WITH HIS LIFE.WE DID NOT GO AFTER MONEY,WHAT AN INSULT!!ONE MORE DAY WITH MY DAD IS PRICELESS,NONE OF YOU CAN OFFER ME THAT!! SO CONCERNED ABOUT MONEY, THE LOSS COULD VERY WELL HAPPEN TO ANYONE OF YOU.HOW MUCH VALUE $$$$$ ARE YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS??TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHY SOME OF US OUT HERE WE ARE NOT RUNNING AFTER THE $$$$$$$$$. MY DAD PAID WITH HIS LIFE.WE DID NOT GO AFTER MONEY,WHAT AN INSULT!!ONE MORE DAY WITH MY DAD IS PRICELESS,NONE OF YOU CAN OFFER ME THAT!! SO CONCERNED ABOUT MONEY, THE LOSS COULD VERY WELL HAPPEN TO ANYONE OF YOU.HOW MUCH VALUE $$$$$ ARE YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS??TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHY SOME OF US OUT HERE WE ARE NOT RUNNING AFTER THE $$$$$$$$$.

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/12/fallacy-of-juries-sending-message.html#comment-73859 Anonymous Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:16:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/12/the-fallacy-of-juries-sending-a-message.html#comment-73859 PATIENTS PAY WITH THEIR LIVES, MY DAD DID!! THERE IS NO AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT COULD EVER BE OFFERED TO ME, AND TO THINK ANY AMOUNT WOULD BE ENOUGH, I WOULD RATHER HAVE ONE MORE DAY WITH MY DAD, CAN ANY OF YOU OUT THERE OFFER THAT?? THINK NOT! MONEY CAN NOT COMPENSATE FOR EVERYTHING.HOW SAD PEOPLE ARE VIEWED AS A PRODUCT. IT COULD HAPPEN TO ANY OF YOU,LOOSE A FAMILY MEMBER. THEY CAN EVEN SAY THEY ARE SORRY. PATIENTS PAY WITH THEIR LIVES, MY DAD DID!! THERE IS NO AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT COULD EVER BE OFFERED TO ME, AND TO THINK ANY AMOUNT WOULD BE ENOUGH, I WOULD RATHER HAVE ONE MORE DAY WITH MY DAD, CAN ANY OF YOU OUT THERE OFFER THAT?? THINK NOT! MONEY CAN NOT COMPENSATE FOR EVERYTHING.HOW SAD PEOPLE ARE VIEWED AS A PRODUCT. IT COULD HAPPEN TO ANY OF YOU,LOOSE A FAMILY MEMBER. THEY CAN EVEN SAY THEY ARE SORRY.

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/12/fallacy-of-juries-sending-message.html#comment-69545 Anonymous Tue, 12 Dec 2006 03:39:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/12/the-fallacy-of-juries-sending-a-message.html#comment-69545 You are wasting your time. This joker is a lawyer troll. The only thing he is passionate about is making money. Hell they call their free work a special word "probono". To us it is just another day on the job. You are wasting your time. This joker is a lawyer troll. The only thing he is passionate about is making money. Hell they call their free work a special word “probono”. To us it is just another day on the job.

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/12/fallacy-of-juries-sending-message.html#comment-69544 Anonymous Tue, 12 Dec 2006 03:26:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/12/the-fallacy-of-juries-sending-a-message.html#comment-69544 Anon I really wish you had a clue as to what you were talking about. But it is easy to pontificate when you have never ACTUALLY WORKED IN THIS FIELD and have your head up your ass. <br/>By each point:<br/>1: This year's pay cut was stopped. Next year's is still in effect as congress never addressed the underlying issue. You never answered the question. When is the last time you took a paycut for the same amount of work done?<br/>2: I would love to cut out the insurance middleman. My patient's don't have that luxury. I am a cancer doc, you expect me to cut my patient's loose and tell them don't come back unless they have cash, with life threatening illnesses? Do you have any idea the expenses these people (cancer patient's) incur even with insurance? Trust me, I probably do more unpaid work in a month than you do "probono" work in a year to minimize these patient's expenses. Next time have the decency about becoming educated about the subject. You will sound less like an uninformed idiot. Anon I really wish you had a clue as to what you were talking about. But it is easy to pontificate when you have never ACTUALLY WORKED IN THIS FIELD and have your head up your ass.
By each point:
1: This year’s pay cut was stopped. Next year’s is still in effect as congress never addressed the underlying issue. You never answered the question. When is the last time you took a paycut for the same amount of work done?
2: I would love to cut out the insurance middleman. My patient’s don’t have that luxury. I am a cancer doc, you expect me to cut my patient’s loose and tell them don’t come back unless they have cash, with life threatening illnesses? Do you have any idea the expenses these people (cancer patient’s) incur even with insurance? Trust me, I probably do more unpaid work in a month than you do “probono” work in a year to minimize these patient’s expenses. Next time have the decency about becoming educated about the subject. You will sound less like an uninformed idiot.

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/12/fallacy-of-juries-sending-message.html#comment-69542 Anonymous Tue, 12 Dec 2006 03:07:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/12/the-fallacy-of-juries-sending-a-message.html#comment-69542 "HEALTH insurers DON'T PAY medical liability judgements. (They don't pay for medical procedures, either, but that's a conversation for another day....)"<br/><br/>Donna's right, they don't. They do benefit though, through subrogation, when a judgment is had, because they get paid back. This, using Donna's logic of "less payouts equals lower premiums" means more money in that health insurer pockets means lower health insurance premiums.<br/><br/>Everyone knows what United and AIG sell. If you read the original post, which I'm sure you didn't, you'll see that it wasn't limited to the med mal industry. If it was, we really wouldn't be talking about "send a message" verdicts because as you should know (even if your lobbyist soul won't allow you to admit it) punitive verdicts are rarely a factor in med mal litigation. “HEALTH insurers DON’T PAY medical liability judgements. (They don’t pay for medical procedures, either, but that’s a conversation for another day….)”

Donna’s right, they don’t. They do benefit though, through subrogation, when a judgment is had, because they get paid back. This, using Donna’s logic of “less payouts equals lower premiums” means more money in that health insurer pockets means lower health insurance premiums.

Everyone knows what United and AIG sell. If you read the original post, which I’m sure you didn’t, you’ll see that it wasn’t limited to the med mal industry. If it was, we really wouldn’t be talking about “send a message” verdicts because as you should know (even if your lobbyist soul won’t allow you to admit it) punitive verdicts are rarely a factor in med mal litigation.

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/12/fallacy-of-juries-sending-message.html#comment-69541 Anonymous Tue, 12 Dec 2006 03:02:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/12/the-fallacy-of-juries-sending-a-message.html#comment-69541 "The next time you take a 5% paycut for doing the same amount of work thanks to a federal entity you will have the right to lecture us about economics."<br/><br/>Actually, it appears that cut may be off the table. And of course, if you don't like the bargain of guaranteed payment but less pay then don't make it. You choose to. No one forces you to accept the government's money. You're welcome to get out in the free market and compete like so many other service providers. “The next time you take a 5% paycut for doing the same amount of work thanks to a federal entity you will have the right to lecture us about economics.”

Actually, it appears that cut may be off the table. And of course, if you don’t like the bargain of guaranteed payment but less pay then don’t make it. You choose to. No one forces you to accept the government’s money. You’re welcome to get out in the free market and compete like so many other service providers.

]]> By: DBRhttp://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/12/fallacy-of-juries-sending-message.html#comment-69528 DBR Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:07:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/12/the-fallacy-of-juries-sending-a-message.html#comment-69528 Anon. 10:04 a.m. said: "Seriously. These helpless companies have no way to pay these judgments. United Health - where would it find any extra cash? AIG, with its plethora of offshore trusts won't be able to find the extra cash without passing it on to the customer? Are you guys really so ignorant of business?"<br/><br/>SPEAKING of ignorant of business......<br/><br/>United Health and AIG aren't medical liability insurers. They sell HEALTH INSURANCE.<br/><br/>HEALTH insurers DON'T PAY medical liability judgements. (They don't pay for medical procedures, either, but that's a conversation for another day....)<br/><br/>Medical Liability Insurers like MedPro and The Doctors Company and others which sell ONLY medical liability insurance to medical professionals pay malpractice judgements.<br/><br/>A deliberate attempt has been made by those who oppose medical liability reforms to confuse the two - and you fell for it. Shame on you. Anon. 10:04 a.m. said: “Seriously. These helpless companies have no way to pay these judgments. United Health – where would it find any extra cash? AIG, with its plethora of offshore trusts won’t be able to find the extra cash without passing it on to the customer? Are you guys really so ignorant of business?”

SPEAKING of ignorant of business……

United Health and AIG aren’t medical liability insurers. They sell HEALTH INSURANCE.

HEALTH insurers DON’T PAY medical liability judgements. (They don’t pay for medical procedures, either, but that’s a conversation for another day….)

Medical Liability Insurers like MedPro and The Doctors Company and others which sell ONLY medical liability insurance to medical professionals pay malpractice judgements.

A deliberate attempt has been made by those who oppose medical liability reforms to confuse the two – and you fell for it. Shame on you.

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/12/fallacy-of-juries-sending-message.html#comment-69477 Anonymous Sat, 09 Dec 2006 22:32:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/12/the-fallacy-of-juries-sending-a-message.html#comment-69477 Correction. That would be 5% plus the rate of inflation, so figure 8% or 9%. Correction. That would be 5% plus the rate of inflation, so figure 8% or 9%.

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/12/fallacy-of-juries-sending-message.html#comment-69449 Anonymous Fri, 08 Dec 2006 21:43:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/12/the-fallacy-of-juries-sending-a-message.html#comment-69449 "Again, even a doctor should be able to understand those economics."<br/><br/>The next time you take a 5% paycut for doing the same amount of work thanks to a federal entity you will have the right to lecture us about economics. “Again, even a doctor should be able to understand those economics.”

The next time you take a 5% paycut for doing the same amount of work thanks to a federal entity you will have the right to lecture us about economics.

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/12/fallacy-of-juries-sending-message.html#comment-69440 Anonymous Fri, 08 Dec 2006 04:49:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/12/the-fallacy-of-juries-sending-a-message.html#comment-69440 Amen! Amen!

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