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	<title>Comments on: A urologist mistakenly removes the ovaries from a 7-year old</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2006 06:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But just to get some perspective, try to place yourself in this girl&#039;s father&#039;s shoes and think how you&#039;d feel about the whole experience. Would you be very understanding? &quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You directed this question at me. I have chronic lung disease, and I often miss weeks of work because of my illness. I was fired from my job last due to my illness, which is apparently an illegal act. But I didn&#039;t sue. It&#039;s not my nature. If you ask me, I would rather be the father of that girl, because I&#039;m sure he derives much pleasure and happiness from having her as a daughter, even if she had a botched operation. Working as an ER doc is Hell, I&#039;ve been assaulted and abused  in every possible meaning of the words &quot;assaulted&quot; and &quot;abused&quot;,  The lawyers are just another form of assault, I wouldn&#039;t wish it on anyone, I&#039;d rather be the father of this girl. But I shouldn&#039;t complain, I&#039;m getting out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But just to get some perspective, try to place yourself in this girl&#8217;s father&#8217;s shoes and think how you&#8217;d feel about the whole experience. Would you be very understanding? &#8220;</p>
<p>You directed this question at me. I have chronic lung disease, and I often miss weeks of work because of my illness. I was fired from my job last due to my illness, which is apparently an illegal act. But I didn&#8217;t sue. It&#8217;s not my nature. If you ask me, I would rather be the father of that girl, because I&#8217;m sure he derives much pleasure and happiness from having her as a daughter, even if she had a botched operation. Working as an ER doc is Hell, I&#8217;ve been assaulted and abused  in every possible meaning of the words &#8220;assaulted&#8221; and &#8220;abused&#8221;,  The lawyers are just another form of assault, I wouldn&#8217;t wish it on anyone, I&#8217;d rather be the father of this girl. But I shouldn&#8217;t complain, I&#8217;m getting out.</p>
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		<title>By: Diora</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/11/urologist-mistakenly-removes-ovaries.html/comment-page-1#comment-69056</link>
		<dc:creator>Diora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2006 01:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry you had such bad luck, really. My mother&#039;s friend who is also a doctor was also sued once by somebody he&#039;d never seen. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Not sure where you are going, but as the ridiculous &quot;wrongful birth&quot; lawsuit in Germany showed, frivolous lawsuits happen in Europe as well.   &lt;br/&gt; &lt;br/&gt; I noticed that if I feel bitter about something the only person I am hurting is myself. Because whoever I feel bitter about really doesn&#039;t know or care. So wherever you go, I hope you&#039;d find what you are looking for and loose some of this bitterness. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But just to get some perspective, try to place yourself in this girl&#039;s father&#039;s shoes and think how you&#039;d feel about the whole experience. Would you be very understanding? Also, would you rather be sued or be in their shoes?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Best of luck, anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry you had such bad luck, really. My mother&#8217;s friend who is also a doctor was also sued once by somebody he&#8217;d never seen. </p>
<p>Not sure where you are going, but as the ridiculous &#8220;wrongful birth&#8221; lawsuit in Germany showed, frivolous lawsuits happen in Europe as well.   </p>
<p> I noticed that if I feel bitter about something the only person I am hurting is myself. Because whoever I feel bitter about really doesn&#8217;t know or care. So wherever you go, I hope you&#8217;d find what you are looking for and loose some of this bitterness. </p>
<p>But just to get some perspective, try to place yourself in this girl&#8217;s father&#8217;s shoes and think how you&#8217;d feel about the whole experience. Would you be very understanding? Also, would you rather be sued or be in their shoes?</p>
<p>Best of luck, anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 22:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Why do you have to minimize the damage done to this girl to make a point about lawsuits?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Because when you&#039;ve been sued twice, one for a patient I never even saw, the second time because a family decided to sue a nursing home and the sodomites threw me into the suit to see if they could shake any money out of my insurance ( I was her ER Doc, she had a fractured hip, I diagnosed her fractured hip, I admitted her to ortho, lot of malpractice there) you get bitter about the system, paranoid, and no longer care about patients. They become future plaintiffs, risks to your well-being. I sincerely believe this is widespread, but I&#039;m the only one who&#039;s willing to admit it. I&#039;m getting out, to practice in a healthcare system where I can care about the patients again, not view them as future litigants.  That&#039;s what you are in the U.S. After all, as the sodmites say, &quot;it&#039;s not personal, It&#039;s all business&quot;. Thanks sodomites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why do you have to minimize the damage done to this girl to make a point about lawsuits?&#8221;</p>
<p>Because when you&#8217;ve been sued twice, one for a patient I never even saw, the second time because a family decided to sue a nursing home and the sodomites threw me into the suit to see if they could shake any money out of my insurance ( I was her ER Doc, she had a fractured hip, I diagnosed her fractured hip, I admitted her to ortho, lot of malpractice there) you get bitter about the system, paranoid, and no longer care about patients. They become future plaintiffs, risks to your well-being. I sincerely believe this is widespread, but I&#8217;m the only one who&#8217;s willing to admit it. I&#8217;m getting out, to practice in a healthcare system where I can care about the patients again, not view them as future litigants.  That&#8217;s what you are in the U.S. After all, as the sodmites say, &#8220;it&#8217;s not personal, It&#8217;s all business&#8221;. Thanks sodomites.</p>
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		<title>By: Diora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 17:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon at 10:40 - &quot;life-long depression&quot; especially the way you mentioned is hardly the same as osteoporosis &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.drdonnica.com/faqs/00005073.htm&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;by the nice ripe age of 30&lt;/a&gt;. If you are a doctor, you must be aware of the effect woman&#039;s own estrogen on bones and heart. HRT can only partially reduce this risk, and there currently are no studies available regarding the safety of such long-term high-dose HRT for young women and if it is really the same as having natural periods. Virtually every woman whose post I read on earlymenopause.com has osteopenia or osteoporosis and most of them are on HRT; if you read NIH information, it states that most young women they see have osteopenia in spite of HRT (yes, I know it is not a valid study, feel free to find one).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I also have POF. I had it diagnosed at 38 after a few years of symptoms. When I got the diagnosis, I thought my life has ended. I felt old; and the symptoms of menopause were really terrible, much worse than those of my mother who had menopause at normal age. And I was a grown woman and not that young - this girl is 7, and I still had my ovaries - this girl doesn&#039;t. My bones had already reached their highest density, this girl&#039;s bones haven&#039;t. All-cause mortality is also higher, in case you don&#039;t know.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt; In spite of being on HRT, 9 years later I have some thinning in my hips which got worse in the last couple of years. How much worse it&#039;ll be for this girl?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Why do you have to minimize the damage done to this girl to make a point about lawsuits?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon at 10:40 &#8211; &#8220;life-long depression&#8221; especially the way you mentioned is hardly the same as osteoporosis <a HREF="http://www.drdonnica.com/faqs/00005073.htm" REL="nofollow">by the nice ripe age of 30</a>. If you are a doctor, you must be aware of the effect woman&#8217;s own estrogen on bones and heart. HRT can only partially reduce this risk, and there currently are no studies available regarding the safety of such long-term high-dose HRT for young women and if it is really the same as having natural periods. Virtually every woman whose post I read on earlymenopause.com has osteopenia or osteoporosis and most of them are on HRT; if you read NIH information, it states that most young women they see have osteopenia in spite of HRT (yes, I know it is not a valid study, feel free to find one).</p>
<p>I also have POF. I had it diagnosed at 38 after a few years of symptoms. When I got the diagnosis, I thought my life has ended. I felt old; and the symptoms of menopause were really terrible, much worse than those of my mother who had menopause at normal age. And I was a grown woman and not that young &#8211; this girl is 7, and I still had my ovaries &#8211; this girl doesn&#8217;t. My bones had already reached their highest density, this girl&#8217;s bones haven&#8217;t. All-cause mortality is also higher, in case you don&#8217;t know.  </p>
<p> In spite of being on HRT, 9 years later I have some thinning in my hips which got worse in the last couple of years. How much worse it&#8217;ll be for this girl?</p>
<p>Why do you have to minimize the damage done to this girl to make a point about lawsuits?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 03:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great. Why don&#039;t you go testify for the offense then. You can bring the jury to tears as you recount how this Mean urologist stole her ovaries, and you can hear her future IVF&#039;ed children crying as their lives are taken from them. Should be worth 10-12 mil. How frying the urologist makes things right is beyond me, but then maybe that&#039;s why I&#039;m leaving the country to avoid the sodomites.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;P.S. : To Kitty: Why do you think I describe her &quot;life-long depression&quot;. The sodomites will tack every possible future disability on this doc, and multiply it by the &quot;pain and suffering&quot;.  And I&#039;m sure he did it on purpose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great. Why don&#8217;t you go testify for the offense then. You can bring the jury to tears as you recount how this Mean urologist stole her ovaries, and you can hear her future IVF&#8217;ed children crying as their lives are taken from them. Should be worth 10-12 mil. How frying the urologist makes things right is beyond me, but then maybe that&#8217;s why I&#8217;m leaving the country to avoid the sodomites.</p>
<p>P.S. : To Kitty: Why do you think I describe her &#8220;life-long depression&#8221;. The sodomites will tack every possible future disability on this doc, and multiply it by the &#8220;pain and suffering&#8221;.  And I&#8217;m sure he did it on purpose.</p>
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		<title>By: storkdoc</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/11/urologist-mistakenly-removes-ovaries.html/comment-page-1#comment-69036</link>
		<dc:creator>storkdoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 01:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey anonymous 7:36, I know what Mayer Rokitansky Kuster Hauser syndrome is. Lack of a uterus and vagina does not mean she could not have her own biological children. Her oocytes could be harvested, IVF done and then have implantation done is a surrogate. Please think before you comment on something that it seems like you don&#039;t understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey anonymous 7:36, I know what Mayer Rokitansky Kuster Hauser syndrome is. Lack of a uterus and vagina does not mean she could not have her own biological children. Her oocytes could be harvested, IVF done and then have implantation done is a surrogate. Please think before you comment on something that it seems like you don&#8217;t understand.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 00:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Storkdoc: She has no Vagina or Uterus, so she could never have biological children of her own. I would agree in an ideal system the patient should be compensated for this medical error, but this is the U.S., so compensation will not occur, a gang-bang will occur, the urologist will consider suicide from all the personal attacks, the plaintiff&#039;s sodomites will attack each other, the surgeon, the victim. The surgeon will spend months out of work while he fights this tooth and nail. Meanwhile he may have three or four other frivolous cases because the system is so corrupt. He may settle the frivolous cases just to lighten his load. In the end the hospial will have one less Urologist, the family may or may not have a few bucks, and the lawyers will be having sex with a higher class of prostitutes. Who wins?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Storkdoc: She has no Vagina or Uterus, so she could never have biological children of her own. I would agree in an ideal system the patient should be compensated for this medical error, but this is the U.S., so compensation will not occur, a gang-bang will occur, the urologist will consider suicide from all the personal attacks, the plaintiff&#8217;s sodomites will attack each other, the surgeon, the victim. The surgeon will spend months out of work while he fights this tooth and nail. Meanwhile he may have three or four other frivolous cases because the system is so corrupt. He may settle the frivolous cases just to lighten his load. In the end the hospial will have one less Urologist, the family may or may not have a few bucks, and the lawyers will be having sex with a higher class of prostitutes. Who wins?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 22:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This one is automatic.  It may have been an unintentional and understandable, but that doen&#039;t excuse it.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;A perfect system would aknowledge this mistake and quickly compensate the girl at an appropriate level.  It could all be done in weeks.  Of course, that won&#039;t happen.  The &quot;legal process&quot; will have to run its course.  Lawyers on both sides will enrich themselves for a year or more before the girl sees anything.  The plaintiff lawyers will demonize the doctor, even if he admits the mistake.  That is how they will justify their involvement in a case that any layperson can easily understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This one is automatic.  It may have been an unintentional and understandable, but that doen&#8217;t excuse it.  </p>
<p>A perfect system would aknowledge this mistake and quickly compensate the girl at an appropriate level.  It could all be done in weeks.  Of course, that won&#8217;t happen.  The &#8220;legal process&#8221; will have to run its course.  Lawyers on both sides will enrich themselves for a year or more before the girl sees anything.  The plaintiff lawyers will demonize the doctor, even if he admits the mistake.  That is how they will justify their involvement in a case that any layperson can easily understand.</p>
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		<title>By: storkdoc</title>
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		<dc:creator>storkdoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 20:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually this is an instance of malpractice and there should be finacial compesation to the girl. She will now require hormones to go through puberty, and then will need hormones for some time after that. She can no longer have any biological children of her own, she has lost alot and she does deserve something in return.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually this is an instance of malpractice and there should be finacial compesation to the girl. She will now require hormones to go through puberty, and then will need hormones for some time after that. She can no longer have any biological children of her own, she has lost alot and she does deserve something in return.</p>
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		<title>By: cathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>cathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 20:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Kitty. Losing ones ovaries can be quite tramatic even for a grown woman. Of course if you are a man you can&#039;t really speak on the topic, can you? So making your sick jokes is very inappropriate anon 2:16.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;When a grown woman losing them due to surgery, and enters instant menopause it is not fun. I can&#039;t imagine what that little girl feels like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Kitty. Losing ones ovaries can be quite tramatic even for a grown woman. Of course if you are a man you can&#8217;t really speak on the topic, can you? So making your sick jokes is very inappropriate anon 2:16.</p>
<p>When a grown woman losing them due to surgery, and enters instant menopause it is not fun. I can&#8217;t imagine what that little girl feels like.</p>
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