Muslims vs GYNs in France

Controversy involving hard-line Muslims and whether their wives can be examined by male gynecologists:

France’s leading gynaecologists have challenged hard-line Muslims to bow to France’s secular, “modern” rules of society, and to stop insisting that their wives are examined by female doctors.
The heads of the French National College of Gynaecologists and Obstetricians issued a public declaration, rejecting any moves to undermine the principle that public hospitals are part of a secular state, in which patients must accept being examined by a doctor of the opposite sex.
The move came after a consultant in Paris was punched by a Muslim who was concerned that a male doctor wanted to examine his wife after complications in childbirth.

(via Islamophobia Watch)

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Samson Isberg
I’ve been there several times. And believe me, muslim men’s willingness to let their wives – and, in some cases their babies – die rather than being examined by a male doctor is to be a display of a callousness hardly human. This is one of the traits that definitively is not endearing muslims to the civilized world.
DrPak
I’m a muslim, and I know there’s no restriction in Islam that prevents male doctors from examining female patients. I know there are many muslims (sadly, far too many) who believe otherwise. It’s a sad state of affairs for muslims these days, and we only have ourselves to blame.
Anonymous
i am a male 30 yr old muslim sunni doctor from pakistan.i am considering training in gynecology or general surgery.but some people say that it is not allowed for male drs in islam to join gynecology.now there are many nonmuslim male gynecologists in arab and other countries who examine and treat muslim women.wouldnt it be better for a muslim dr to treat them.even if i select general surgery there i will have to examine and do surgery some times on the private areas of females,so if i am not allowed gynecology, then same logic applies to surgery .so should i leave my profession and allow nonmuslims to dominate it? also gynecology is not limited to simple delivery,it includes highly sophisticated surgery for cancers,growths and infertility.this surgery is sometimes too much for female gynecologists and they have to depend upon male drs to carry out these surgeries with fine precision. so is it allowed for me to be a gynecology specialist according to islam?also males will always be required in gyne either as surgeons or in anesthesia,as female drs can not always go through the hectic schedules.also during examination of a female there is always a female chaperone present.. .also in any field of medicine you have to examine the females and there shall never be enough trained female drs , so why not gynecoly. also i think ,if i do not join this field someone with lesser regard for females and his religion may take my place.so what should i do?
Answer 11369 2004-04-14
In principle, when a Muslim undertakes a profession, he must take into consideration his Deen. This is supported by the following Hadith; Rasulullah [Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam] said, ‘Do not adopt a profession that would turn you away from Deen.’ (Mishkaat)
The profession as a doctor is a noble one and can be an act of worship if the purpose is to serve humanity and mankind. If there is anything in the profession that takes a person away from his Islamic values and ideals, then it will not be permissible. There is no doubt that a person in a noble profession can be driven by ulterior motives. That is evident from the reports in the media about money driven doctors and women driven doctors. A human being by nature is attracted to the opposite gender. A male doctor examining a female patient also has his Nafs with him, we cannot doubt his initial sincerity to be of service to his patient, but the motivation of his Nafs and Shaytaan can overshadow his dedication and lead him to use his profession to satiate his passion, either personally or even by being physical.
No human being is Nafs and Shaytaan proof. The example of a general doctor is non-analogous. A gynaecologist’s patients are only females and that too in relation to her sensitive organs. That is not always the case with a general doctor. Your consideration for another person having lesser regard for a female and her religion is observed. Your point of female gynaecologists and their feminine nature not being able to cope with the hectic schedule are also taken. It is indeed very difficult for us to issue a definite ruling on a male training as a gynaecologist. Nevertheless, our advise is if you choose to be a gynaecologist, fear Allah and be conscious of His presence at all times. Never be unmindful of that. Confine examining your patients to the need and always have the patient’s male family member present. Make abundant Tawbah and Istighfaar and beg Allah to save you from the mischief of the Nafs and Shaytaan. Your service should be to please Allah and service humanity.
and Allah Ta’ala Knows Best
Mufti Ebrahim Desai
DrPak
Another “Mufti” cranking out religious edicts like they were candy.
I find this statement particularly void of intelligence: this surgery is sometimes too much for female gynecologists and they have to depend upon male drs to carry out these surgeries with fine precision.
…A statement which this “mufti” obviously doesn’t have any problem with.
What ignorance…
Anonymous
As a muslim woman, I have to say that there are absolutely no restriction to seeing a male doctor, especially if you think that a particular doctor does a better job. Though personally, I would look for a female gynacologist first, but thats because I’m a female.
As for anonymous, I believe that you should check up on Fardu Kifayah, which mandates that a community is continually at sin if it allows a needed profession, for a necessary service to its members, to be left unfilled by at least one Muslim. Which means that if you think that your community really needs gynacologists, and there are no Muslim gynacologists around, you’d be doing everyone a really huge favour. Go ahead.
And frankly, I find your comment on female gynacologist, and dostors in general, very insulting.
Samson Isberg
I think there is one obligation the muslim cleric must ponder: The obligation to save lives. I have been sent out of a delivery room (because I was a man), although every other person knew that this baby was going to die within minutes unless delivered. And for a man to stand by and order this to happen, to his own child, to a baby who could have been delivered within 5 minutes, healthy and sound, instead to suffer, languish and ultimately (fortunately) to die, just because he didn’t want another man to see his wife’s genitals, he must be a complete psychopath.
I repeat – psychopath. Men who do these things are psychpaths and ought to be hanged. No religion, no culture, no tradition and no Holy Book has any authority to order the killing or maltreatment of babies.
I’m sorry if I sound emotional about this, but I have as an OB been in some quite horrible situations. And have been left helpless. In this country, the mother has complete autonomy by the Law, nobody can do anything to her that she doesn’t want. Unfortunately, the lawmaker had forgotten that some women are mindless slaves of their own husbands’ bigotted ideas.
So we are still left to watch helplessly as husbands and wifes condemn their own babies. So perhaps I’m entitled to a little emotionality
Anonymous
“wouldnt it be better for a muslim dr to treat them”.
Why would it be “better”? Are you assuming a non-Muslim doctor is less moral than a Muslim doctor? My father is a doc, and I guarantee you that he’s not the kind to take advantage of any situation, as a huge majority of his colleagues, and that there are certainly not more rotten apples by non-Muslims than by Muslims in this regard.
“so should i leave my profession and allow nonmuslims to dominate it? “
Who is asking you to leave? Certainly not the big bad West. Besides, non-Muslims don’t have to be “allowed” by you to do anything. Medicine just doesn’t have anything to do with religion.
“also gynecology is not limited to simple delivery,it includes highly sophisticated surgery for cancers,growths and infertility.this surgery is sometimes too much for female gynecologists and they have to depend upon male drs to carry out these surgeries with fine precision”.
Because there are no female surgeons (bwahahahah). Because female are naturally less skilled than men. Bullshit. Of course there are, and they are not less skilled than men. I can’t believe you are actually saying that. Benazir Bhutto could be a head of state but a woman isn’t intelligent enough to be a surgeon. And you are a doctor, therefore not an ignorant man. I shudder to think what you’d say if you were illiterate (well, perhaps you’d still have the common sense to acknowlege women are just as good as you and it’s not a question of literacy after all, it’s just a question of being a phallocrat.)
“also males will always be required in gyne either as surgeons or in anesthesia,as female drs can not always go through the hectic schedules”.
If they’re expected to manage the whole household without help, possibly, though I know many females with a hectic schedule who also have to care for their household, and they do it quite well. As they are successfull in their field, they can afford maids, nannies and diverse helps.
“also in any field of medicine you have to examine the females and there shall never be enough trained female drs”
If you don’t train them, that’s certain.
Dr X, you are just a bigot.
Anonymous
It’s amazing how many posts there are when religion becomes the center of the discussion. And, how many anonymously as well.
Religious people worldwide should be ashamed. God is good. God says to be good to others. Why can’t people live by that rule instead of the 100s of global interpretations that do not spread God’s good word, but instead use it to divid, demoralize, and kills God’s own creatures. Shame. Shame to all of us.

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