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	<title>Comments on: The medicine behind the Navarro stroke case</title>
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		<title>By: JESSE JAMES</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/10/medicine-behind-navarro-stroke-case.html/comment-page-1#comment-91422</link>
		<dc:creator>JESSE JAMES</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 15:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EVERYONE IS OVERLOOKING THE FACT THAT STROKE IS A HEAD INJURY, NOW VICODIN CAUSES SPINAL FLIUDS TO INCREASE WHICH WILL INTURN CAUSE A STROKE. READ THE MANUFACTURES WARNING. VICODIN IS A TIME RELEASE MEDICATION AND WHEN GIVEN  OTHER MEDICATIONS AND A VICODIN  THE VICODIN WILL DUMP AS MOST DOCTORS KNOW AND CALL IT , SO IF YOU DON&#039;T GO INTO A COMA YOU&#039;LL STROKE ARE SOMETHING WORSE. WAKE UP AMERICA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EVERYONE IS OVERLOOKING THE FACT THAT STROKE IS A HEAD INJURY, NOW VICODIN CAUSES SPINAL FLIUDS TO INCREASE WHICH WILL INTURN CAUSE A STROKE. READ THE MANUFACTURES WARNING. VICODIN IS A TIME RELEASE MEDICATION AND WHEN GIVEN  OTHER MEDICATIONS AND A VICODIN  THE VICODIN WILL DUMP AS MOST DOCTORS KNOW AND CALL IT , SO IF YOU DON&#8217;T GO INTO A COMA YOU&#8217;LL STROKE ARE SOMETHING WORSE. WAKE UP AMERICA.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/10/medicine-behind-navarro-stroke-case.html/comment-page-1#comment-68556</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 04:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just some points of clarification:&lt;br/&gt;Navarro&#039;s case involved a thrombotic stroke, not a hemorrhagic one. So whether the imaging studies were appropriate for showing a brain bleed was irrelevant to the legal case.&lt;br/&gt;Nevertheless, the CT was negative and the discharge decision was at least partly based on that information.&lt;br/&gt;Defense lawyers did try to keep plaintiff out of the courtroom to avoid undue prejudice -- they were not permitted to exclude him from the courtroom.  Excluding a party is almost never permitted in Florida courts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just some points of clarification:<br />Navarro&#8217;s case involved a thrombotic stroke, not a hemorrhagic one. So whether the imaging studies were appropriate for showing a brain bleed was irrelevant to the legal case.<br />Nevertheless, the CT was negative and the discharge decision was at least partly based on that information.<br />Defense lawyers did try to keep plaintiff out of the courtroom to avoid undue prejudice &#8212; they were not permitted to exclude him from the courtroom.  Excluding a party is almost never permitted in Florida courts.</p>
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		<title>By: markregel</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/10/medicine-behind-navarro-stroke-case.html/comment-page-1#comment-67783</link>
		<dc:creator>markregel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Litigation is expensive and risky. That is why the pursuit of hopeless claims is the privilege of the wealthy, the foolish, and the legally aided. Despite howls of protest and dire predictions on the part of some lawyers, legal aid was abolished for most civil claims over 2 years ago and replaced by the conditional fee system, effectively privatising access to justice. It has been a success of sorts - the civil courts are now open to anyone with a good claim, whereas previously they were only for the wealthy and the minority poor enough to qualify for legal aid. Overall privatising litigation means widening access to justice for meritorious claims, and discouraging speculative and spurious claims. Litigation concerns enforcing legal rights to obtain compensation; provided it is properly founded, litigation is not intrinsically undesirable. Some of the exuberant advertising associated with privatised litigation may have negative connotations; it is a presentational problem. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Civil legal aid, however, still continues in two areas which impact on healthcare: clinical negligence and pharmaceutical product liability. The Government is now so concerned by the cost to the health service of clinical negligence litigation - outstanding contingent liabilities are estimated at billions - that it will shortly publish a White Paper. Economic arguments possess a force that reason lacks. But how has the healthcare industry become targeted as a deep pocket? &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Most healthcare claims are legally aided because of their cost and complexity. Civil legal aid is fundamentally flawed. First, funding is granted on the advice of the applicant&#039;s lawyer who has a financial interest in advancing the case - a clear conflict of interest creating perverse incentives to pursue unmeritorious cases. This is amply borne out by the near zero success rate in drug claims against the pharmaceutical industry, and that most clinical negligence cases fail - too often the only beneficiaries of legal aid are lawyers. Second, the usual &quot;loser pays&quot; rule of litigation doesn&#039;t apply to an unsuccessful legally aided litigant who is in a no lose position while the defendant is in a no win position. Cases may be settled by defendants regardless of merit to avoid irrecoverable legal costs, a practice described as legal aid &quot;blackmail&quot; in Parliament and by the Bar Council. The effect of this rule was described by the House of Lords as unfair. It also arguably infringes the right to a fair trial under Article 6 of the Human Rights Act. Furthermore, because the reasons for funding decisions are privileged and confidential, the legal aid system is unaccountable to Parliament, to the courts and to the public. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Legal aid fulfils at no risk the economic aspirations of claimant lawyers who have little incentive to develop the commercial discipline imposed by conditional fee work. The continued availability of legal aid thus inhibits the growth of the conditional fee system and the widening of access to justice. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Most cases deserving compensation are, therefore, unlitigated because legal aid is only available to a small minority. Most litigated claims are unsustainable because legal aid is awarded with scant regard for merit. We can all reasonably wonder at the relationship between litigation, liability and compensation. For example, the benzodiazepine tranquilliser case involved thousands of claimants and cost over £40 million in legal aid without a penny obtained in compensation. In clinical negligence, the most expensive claims concern cerebral palsy, of which only a small percentage are attributable to birth events, and an even smaller proportion are attributable to negligent birth events. Medical mishaps are emotive and may bring together the lawyer, the layman and the scientist, a combination sometimes better at generating heat than light in the quest for justice. Natural sympathy lies with the victim, and this is exploited by the claimant lawyers&#039; lobby to provide uncritical support for legal aid. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Anyone injured as a result of deficient healthcare, whether clinical negligence or a defective product, is rightly entitled to compensation. There must be affordable access to justice. However, the present legal aid system fails woefully. Instead of empowering patients, legal aid enriches lawyers and impoverishes the health service. The costs, whether to the health service or the drug industry, are passed on to the patient by diverting funds intended for patient care. The forthcoming White Paper should be sufficiently comprehensive to consider the effect of litigation on the whole of the healthcare industry. The solution lies in the radical reform of the funding of litigation. The problems of litigation against healthcare providers are inextricably linked to the problems of legal aid. The present system should be scrapped and replaced by a part privatised system; state funding for the investigation of claims, and conditional fees for the conduct of litigation. This will widen access to justice, provide a fair balance of risk between the parties, and create appropriate incentives to pursue cases according to their merit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Litigation is expensive and risky. That is why the pursuit of hopeless claims is the privilege of the wealthy, the foolish, and the legally aided. Despite howls of protest and dire predictions on the part of some lawyers, legal aid was abolished for most civil claims over 2 years ago and replaced by the conditional fee system, effectively privatising access to justice. It has been a success of sorts &#8211; the civil courts are now open to anyone with a good claim, whereas previously they were only for the wealthy and the minority poor enough to qualify for legal aid. Overall privatising litigation means widening access to justice for meritorious claims, and discouraging speculative and spurious claims. Litigation concerns enforcing legal rights to obtain compensation; provided it is properly founded, litigation is not intrinsically undesirable. Some of the exuberant advertising associated with privatised litigation may have negative connotations; it is a presentational problem. </p>
<p>Civil legal aid, however, still continues in two areas which impact on healthcare: clinical negligence and pharmaceutical product liability. The Government is now so concerned by the cost to the health service of clinical negligence litigation &#8211; outstanding contingent liabilities are estimated at billions &#8211; that it will shortly publish a White Paper. Economic arguments possess a force that reason lacks. But how has the healthcare industry become targeted as a deep pocket? </p>
<p>Most healthcare claims are legally aided because of their cost and complexity. Civil legal aid is fundamentally flawed. First, funding is granted on the advice of the applicant&#8217;s lawyer who has a financial interest in advancing the case &#8211; a clear conflict of interest creating perverse incentives to pursue unmeritorious cases. This is amply borne out by the near zero success rate in drug claims against the pharmaceutical industry, and that most clinical negligence cases fail &#8211; too often the only beneficiaries of legal aid are lawyers. Second, the usual &#8220;loser pays&#8221; rule of litigation doesn&#8217;t apply to an unsuccessful legally aided litigant who is in a no lose position while the defendant is in a no win position. Cases may be settled by defendants regardless of merit to avoid irrecoverable legal costs, a practice described as legal aid &#8220;blackmail&#8221; in Parliament and by the Bar Council. The effect of this rule was described by the House of Lords as unfair. It also arguably infringes the right to a fair trial under Article 6 of the Human Rights Act. Furthermore, because the reasons for funding decisions are privileged and confidential, the legal aid system is unaccountable to Parliament, to the courts and to the public. </p>
<p>Legal aid fulfils at no risk the economic aspirations of claimant lawyers who have little incentive to develop the commercial discipline imposed by conditional fee work. The continued availability of legal aid thus inhibits the growth of the conditional fee system and the widening of access to justice. </p>
<p>Most cases deserving compensation are, therefore, unlitigated because legal aid is only available to a small minority. Most litigated claims are unsustainable because legal aid is awarded with scant regard for merit. We can all reasonably wonder at the relationship between litigation, liability and compensation. For example, the benzodiazepine tranquilliser case involved thousands of claimants and cost over £40 million in legal aid without a penny obtained in compensation. In clinical negligence, the most expensive claims concern cerebral palsy, of which only a small percentage are attributable to birth events, and an even smaller proportion are attributable to negligent birth events. Medical mishaps are emotive and may bring together the lawyer, the layman and the scientist, a combination sometimes better at generating heat than light in the quest for justice. Natural sympathy lies with the victim, and this is exploited by the claimant lawyers&#8217; lobby to provide uncritical support for legal aid. </p>
<p>Anyone injured as a result of deficient healthcare, whether clinical negligence or a defective product, is rightly entitled to compensation. There must be affordable access to justice. However, the present legal aid system fails woefully. Instead of empowering patients, legal aid enriches lawyers and impoverishes the health service. The costs, whether to the health service or the drug industry, are passed on to the patient by diverting funds intended for patient care. The forthcoming White Paper should be sufficiently comprehensive to consider the effect of litigation on the whole of the healthcare industry. The solution lies in the radical reform of the funding of litigation. The problems of litigation against healthcare providers are inextricably linked to the problems of legal aid. The present system should be scrapped and replaced by a part privatised system; state funding for the investigation of claims, and conditional fees for the conduct of litigation. This will widen access to justice, provide a fair balance of risk between the parties, and create appropriate incentives to pursue cases according to their merit.</p>
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		<title>By: markregel</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/10/medicine-behind-navarro-stroke-case.html/comment-page-1#comment-67781</link>
		<dc:creator>markregel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is absurd to compare rates in &#039;capped&#039; and &#039;noncapped&#039; states, nothing more than a lawyer trick to avoid the real issue. Insurance companies are national, and areas of low cost subsidize areas of high cost.  The real issue is the enormous cost of our predatory legal system, which is a national shame.  Fact is, we spend tens of billions of dollars on litigation, and the real cost to the economy is much greater.  Fact is the legal system in this country is nothing more than a feeding frenzy.  A look at the yellow pages of any major American city is plenty of proof that something is terribly wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is absurd to compare rates in &#8216;capped&#8217; and &#8216;noncapped&#8217; states, nothing more than a lawyer trick to avoid the real issue. Insurance companies are national, and areas of low cost subsidize areas of high cost.  The real issue is the enormous cost of our predatory legal system, which is a national shame.  Fact is, we spend tens of billions of dollars on litigation, and the real cost to the economy is much greater.  Fact is the legal system in this country is nothing more than a feeding frenzy.  A look at the yellow pages of any major American city is plenty of proof that something is terribly wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: pgbMD</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/10/medicine-behind-navarro-stroke-case.html/comment-page-1#comment-67736</link>
		<dc:creator>pgbMD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2006 22:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.insurance-reform.org/pr/060227.html&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I would like to see a chart like this one but with the state by state breakdown. Anyone know of a good source?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.insurance-reform.org/pr/060227.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.insurance-reform.org/pr/060227.html</a></p>
<p>I would like to see a chart like this one but with the state by state breakdown. Anyone know of a good source?</p>
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		<title>By: pgbMD</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/10/medicine-behind-navarro-stroke-case.html/comment-page-1#comment-67735</link>
		<dc:creator>pgbMD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2006 20:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Rates are down all over, in both capped and noncapped states.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Do you have a good source to back up your claim?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Rates are down all over, in both capped and noncapped states.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you have a good source to back up your claim?</p>
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		<title>By: CJD</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/10/medicine-behind-navarro-stroke-case.html/comment-page-1#comment-67733</link>
		<dc:creator>CJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2006 20:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Good points. The possibility of punitive damages (which are not covered by malpractice insurance) always hangs over us like a dark cloud, threatening that ightning strike that is statistically unlikely to actually kill us but which implores us to go inside anyway.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So we settle.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Most of the time you guys don&#039;t make that call, your insurer does.  And the likelihood of a malpractice case resulting in punitives goes beyond &quot;statistically unlikely.&quot;  It&#039;s nearly infinitesimal.  You&#039;ve got a better chance getting punitives after a car wreck.  Have you quit driving?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Good points. The possibility of punitive damages (which are not covered by malpractice insurance) always hangs over us like a dark cloud, threatening that ightning strike that is statistically unlikely to actually kill us but which implores us to go inside anyway.</p>
<p>So we settle.&#8221;</p>
<p>Most of the time you guys don&#8217;t make that call, your insurer does.  And the likelihood of a malpractice case resulting in punitives goes beyond &#8220;statistically unlikely.&#8221;  It&#8217;s nearly infinitesimal.  You&#8217;ve got a better chance getting punitives after a car wreck.  Have you quit driving?</p>
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		<title>By: pgbMD</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/10/medicine-behind-navarro-stroke-case.html/comment-page-1#comment-67732</link>
		<dc:creator>pgbMD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2006 18:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slightly off topic and I assume the Navarro case pain and suffering component is not capped since it occured prior to Amendment 3.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;From what I understand with this FL supreme court ruling, the lawyers are not bypassing the overall pain and suffering cap of $750k but only are increasing their percentage take from the total sum of money from a settlement/judgement. By doing this the patients are getting less from the final settlement/judgement and probably should find another lawyer if they are asked to waive their &quot;constitutional rights&quot;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Additionally, I noticed that the FMA announced that one of the malpractice insurers (FPIC) will be lowering insurance rates from 8-19%! I guess things may be improving down there.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://www.fmaonline.org/members/090506%20FPIC%20rate%20decrease.html&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Any of the lawyers here have input on this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slightly off topic and I assume the Navarro case pain and suffering component is not capped since it occured prior to Amendment 3.</p>
<p>From what I understand with this FL supreme court ruling, the lawyers are not bypassing the overall pain and suffering cap of $750k but only are increasing their percentage take from the total sum of money from a settlement/judgement. By doing this the patients are getting less from the final settlement/judgement and probably should find another lawyer if they are asked to waive their &#8220;constitutional rights&#8221;.</p>
<p>Additionally, I noticed that the FMA announced that one of the malpractice insurers (FPIC) will be lowering insurance rates from 8-19%! I guess things may be improving down there.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fmaonline.org/members/090506%20FPIC%20rate%20decrease.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.fmaonline.org/members/090506%20FPIC%20rate%20decrease.html</a></p>
<p>Any of the lawyers here have input on this?</p>
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		<title>By: lawyersux</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/10/medicine-behind-navarro-stroke-case.html/comment-page-1#comment-67730</link>
		<dc:creator>lawyersux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2006 06:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3rd nerve palsy is much more likely PICA Aneurysm in a younger pt and must be ruled with an MRA or better, Angiogram, still the gold standard. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What the hell ER do you work in where you do MRA&#039;s in the ER? You sound like one of those &quot;expert witnesses&quot; who have never actually set foot in an ER.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3rd nerve palsy is much more likely PICA Aneurysm in a younger pt and must be ruled with an MRA or better, Angiogram, still the gold standard. </p>
<p>What the hell ER do you work in where you do MRA&#8217;s in the ER? You sound like one of those &#8220;expert witnesses&#8221; who have never actually set foot in an ER.</p>
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		<title>By: SupremacyClaus</title>
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		<dc:creator>SupremacyClaus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2006 04:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The defense probably failed to seek trial bifurcation and to exclude the plaintiff from the court, his appearance being highly prejudicial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The defense probably failed to seek trial bifurcation and to exclude the plaintiff from the court, his appearance being highly prejudicial.</p>
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