<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Why OB/GYNs are becoming harder to find</title> <atom:link href="http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/09/why-obgyns-are-becoming-harder-to-find.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/09/why-obgyns-are-becoming-harder-to-find.html</link> <description></description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 22:04:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: Orac</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/09/why-obgyns-are-becoming-harder-to-find.html#comment-67379</link> <dc:creator>Orac</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 20:43:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/09/why-obgyns-are-becoming-harder-to-find.html#comment-67379</guid> <description>&quot;Doc, I saw the &#039;part time,&#039; but it is followed with &quot;40 hours per week plus nights and weekends&quot;. I took the &quot;part time&quot; to be a joke.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For most doctors, particularly OBs, 40 hours a week &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; part time!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Doc, I saw the &#8216;part time,&#8217; but it is followed with &#8220;40 hours per week plus nights and weekends&#8221;. I took the &#8220;part time&#8221; to be a joke.&#8221;</p><p>For most doctors, particularly OBs, 40 hours a week <i>is</i> part time!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: CJD</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/09/why-obgyns-are-becoming-harder-to-find.html#comment-67374</link> <dc:creator>CJD</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 16:02:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/09/why-obgyns-are-becoming-harder-to-find.html#comment-67374</guid> <description>&quot;Rich or poor, famous or infamous, celebrity or street person, the physician by and large cannot command a higher price for one versus the other. You cannot capture the economic value of your work.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This is absolutely true, at least outside what I&#039;ll call the &quot;vanity&quot; specialties.  And this is the fundamental problem with your system.  You receive no reward for being great.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Rich or poor, famous or infamous, celebrity or street person, the physician by and large cannot command a higher price for one versus the other. You cannot capture the economic value of your work.&#8221;</p><p>This is absolutely true, at least outside what I&#8217;ll call the &#8220;vanity&#8221; specialties.  And this is the fundamental problem with your system.  You receive no reward for being great.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/09/why-obgyns-are-becoming-harder-to-find.html#comment-67366</link> <dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 01:15:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/09/why-obgyns-are-becoming-harder-to-find.html#comment-67366</guid> <description>By the way:  &quot;We&#039;re importing doctors because your profession has universal skill sets&quot;  assumes that I am a doctor.  This may or may not be true.    I am not interested in doctor/lawyer bashing or envy of average incomes.  Medical training is longer, in all reasonable probability more expensive, and with higher opportunity costs than other professions on average. When I am sick, I want the best and the brightest, as well as a physician who is more than a machine.  I expect this person to be fairly compensated.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way:  &#8220;We&#8217;re importing doctors because your profession has universal skill sets&#8221;  assumes that I am a doctor.  This may or may not be true.    I am not interested in doctor/lawyer bashing or envy of average incomes.  Medical training is longer, in all reasonable probability more expensive, and with higher opportunity costs than other professions on average. When I am sick, I want the best and the brightest, as well as a physician who is more than a machine.  I expect this person to be fairly compensated.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/09/why-obgyns-are-becoming-harder-to-find.html#comment-67362</link> <dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 00:36:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/09/why-obgyns-are-becoming-harder-to-find.html#comment-67362</guid> <description>&quot;Many very good lawyers who are your &quot;contemporaries&quot; work for far, far less for the public defender&#039;s office, for nonprofits, at smaller firms, for the Justice Dept., for the district attorney, etc. They&#039;ll be lucky to make $1 million in 7 years, much less 1.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This is true.  It is equally true for many of my friends who are medical professors,  family physicians, architects, etc.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I am primarily referring to the best and the brightest and what they may choose to do.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Rich or poor, famous or infamous, celebrity or street person, the physician by and large cannot command a higher price for one versus the other.   You cannot capture the economic value of your work.  How much is saving life with a cardiac bypass or removing a tumor worth?  In economic terms it varies.  You will be compensated the same regardless. If you are a really excellent lawyer or business person, you can command higher prices and better compensation.  Many of the best physicians are not the highest paid, and some of the worst are.  I think the same is largely true of other professions.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As far as keeping to the facts, I will restate: ONE of the Forbes 400 2006 made the list practicing law.  There are NO physicians who made this list practicing medicine (and there really shouldn&#039;t be).</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Many very good lawyers who are your &#8220;contemporaries&#8221; work for far, far less for the public defender&#8217;s office, for nonprofits, at smaller firms, for the Justice Dept., for the district attorney, etc. They&#8217;ll be lucky to make $1 million in 7 years, much less 1.&#8221;</p><p>This is true.  It is equally true for many of my friends who are medical professors,  family physicians, architects, etc.</p><p>I am primarily referring to the best and the brightest and what they may choose to do.</p><p>Rich or poor, famous or infamous, celebrity or street person, the physician by and large cannot command a higher price for one versus the other.   You cannot capture the economic value of your work.  How much is saving life with a cardiac bypass or removing a tumor worth?  In economic terms it varies.  You will be compensated the same regardless. If you are a really excellent lawyer or business person, you can command higher prices and better compensation.  Many of the best physicians are not the highest paid, and some of the worst are.  I think the same is largely true of other professions.</p><p>As far as keeping to the facts, I will restate: ONE of the Forbes 400 2006 made the list practicing law.  There are NO physicians who made this list practicing medicine (and there really shouldn&#8217;t be).</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: DocInKY</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/09/why-obgyns-are-becoming-harder-to-find.html#comment-67360</link> <dc:creator>DocInKY</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 23:25:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/09/why-obgyns-are-becoming-harder-to-find.html#comment-67360</guid> <description>On the comwent by CJD 1152am, I now had a chance to see the continuing comments.  40 hours a week is very part time for an OB or surgery practice.  My points about critical mass of work once a partner to produce pretax income after expenses are still valid.  If the payor mix and case dynamics are not prime, then 40 hours a week may not even allow enough to tread water versus expenses.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the comwent by CJD 1152am, I now had a chance to see the continuing comments.  40 hours a week is very part time for an OB or surgery practice.  My points about critical mass of work once a partner to produce pretax income after expenses are still valid.  If the payor mix and case dynamics are not prime, then 40 hours a week may not even allow enough to tread water versus expenses.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: CJD</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/09/why-obgyns-are-becoming-harder-to-find.html#comment-67356</link> <dc:creator>CJD</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 22:48:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/09/why-obgyns-are-becoming-harder-to-find.html#comment-67356</guid> <description>You&#039;ve offered anecdotes, and they may well be factual.  If anecdotal evidence is how you make the majority of your decisions, I would bet most of them aren&#039;t very good.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Many very good lawyers who are your &quot;contemporaries&quot; work for far, far less for the public defender&#039;s office, for nonprofits, at smaller firms, for the Justice Dept., for the district attorney, etc.  They&#039;ll be lucky to make $1 million in 7 years, much less 1.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;O&#039;Quinn hasn&#039;t been on, if ever, for years.  Facts, indeed.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve offered anecdotes, and they may well be factual.  If anecdotal evidence is how you make the majority of your decisions, I would bet most of them aren&#8217;t very good.</p><p>Many very good lawyers who are your &#8220;contemporaries&#8221; work for far, far less for the public defender&#8217;s office, for nonprofits, at smaller firms, for the Justice Dept., for the district attorney, etc.  They&#8217;ll be lucky to make $1 million in 7 years, much less 1.</p><p>O&#8217;Quinn hasn&#8217;t been on, if ever, for years.  Facts, indeed.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/09/why-obgyns-are-becoming-harder-to-find.html#comment-67355</link> <dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 21:38:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/09/why-obgyns-are-becoming-harder-to-find.html#comment-67355</guid> <description>Sorry if those little things called &quot;facts&quot; are inconvenient.  I&#039;ll stand by them. You would be wise not to guarantee anything, as any experienced physician knows.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I do guess John O&#039;Quinn dropped off the Forbes 400 list as he has added to his auto collection depleting his funds by millions per auction.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My contemporaries span some of the best in all professions:  medicine, law, business, as well as sports.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I would just consider myself older and wiser.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry if those little things called &#8220;facts&#8221; are inconvenient.  I&#8217;ll stand by them. You would be wise not to guarantee anything, as any experienced physician knows.</p><p>I do guess John O&#8217;Quinn dropped off the Forbes 400 list as he has added to his auto collection depleting his funds by millions per auction.</p><p>My contemporaries span some of the best in all professions:  medicine, law, business, as well as sports.</p><p>I would just consider myself older and wiser.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: CJD</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/09/why-obgyns-are-becoming-harder-to-find.html#comment-67352</link> <dc:creator>CJD</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 19:52:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/09/why-obgyns-are-becoming-harder-to-find.html#comment-67352</guid> <description>&quot;Given the differences in length of training and opportunity costs, competiveness of admissions, and the fact that there are no physicians on the Forbes 400 who got there from practicing medicine, but a few lawyers who got there practicing law, I certainly do not think doctors are overpaid compared to lawyers&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Your information is incorrect, like the post that began this thread.  There is one lawyer on the Forbes 400 who got there practicing law - Joe Jamail.  The case that put him there - a business litigation case - Pennzoil v. Texaco.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;My contemporaries are the best and brightest regardless of profession.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Please.  What a load of crap.  How many physicians do you know that you would not even think of sending your family to?  All physicians know one of their colleagues like that.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;I would wager that the American trained doctors I know would be landing six-figure jobs at silk-stocking firms. My contemporaries who are attorneys all make $500k to $1million+. The fact is that we would not have to import doctors if things were so wonderful or standards were not so high.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Who do you consider your contemporaries?  How old are you?  Where do you live?  I guarantee that unless it&#039;s Manhattan, the average salary of your &quot;contemporaries&quot; in law is certainly nowhere near yours.  You guys are taking a few people and assuming that all of them make that.  Clearly, the top in any profession do well, and would likely do well in any other profession, assuming they don&#039;t have a particular gift unique to their own. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We&#039;re importing doctors because your profession has universal skill sets.  To be a lawyer in another country requires basically relearning the law of that jurisdiction, which may be vastly different from your own.  Apples to Oranges.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Given the differences in length of training and opportunity costs, competiveness of admissions, and the fact that there are no physicians on the Forbes 400 who got there from practicing medicine, but a few lawyers who got there practicing law, I certainly do not think doctors are overpaid compared to lawyers&#8221;</p><p>Your information is incorrect, like the post that began this thread.  There is one lawyer on the Forbes 400 who got there practicing law &#8211; Joe Jamail.  The case that put him there &#8211; a business litigation case &#8211; Pennzoil v. Texaco.</p><p>&#8220;My contemporaries are the best and brightest regardless of profession.&#8221;</p><p>Please.  What a load of crap.  How many physicians do you know that you would not even think of sending your family to?  All physicians know one of their colleagues like that.</p><p>&#8220;I would wager that the American trained doctors I know would be landing six-figure jobs at silk-stocking firms. My contemporaries who are attorneys all make $500k to $1million+. The fact is that we would not have to import doctors if things were so wonderful or standards were not so high.&#8221;</p><p>Who do you consider your contemporaries?  How old are you?  Where do you live?  I guarantee that unless it&#8217;s Manhattan, the average salary of your &#8220;contemporaries&#8221; in law is certainly nowhere near yours.  You guys are taking a few people and assuming that all of them make that.  Clearly, the top in any profession do well, and would likely do well in any other profession, assuming they don&#8217;t have a particular gift unique to their own.</p><p>We&#8217;re importing doctors because your profession has universal skill sets.  To be a lawyer in another country requires basically relearning the law of that jurisdiction, which may be vastly different from your own.  Apples to Oranges.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/09/why-obgyns-are-becoming-harder-to-find.html#comment-67350</link> <dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 19:30:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/09/why-obgyns-are-becoming-harder-to-find.html#comment-67350</guid> <description>I would add that NO physicians earn 6 figures 3 years out of college (in fact there are no physicians 3 years out of college, at least US trained ones), but MOST are 6 figures in debt!  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In 2000, there were about 600k doctors and 1 million lawyers in the US.  Given the differences in length of training and opportunity costs, competiveness of admissions, and the fact that there are no physicians on the Forbes 400 who got there from practicing medicine, but a few lawyers who got there practicing law, I certainly do not think doctors are overpaid compared to lawyers.  My contemporaries are the best and brightest regardless of profession.  Some are certainly not valued fully in economic terms.  This applies across professions.  In the long run this does influence what professions the best and brightest choose.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would add that NO physicians earn 6 figures 3 years out of college (in fact there are no physicians 3 years out of college, at least US trained ones), but MOST are 6 figures in debt!</p><p>In 2000, there were about 600k doctors and 1 million lawyers in the US.  Given the differences in length of training and opportunity costs, competiveness of admissions, and the fact that there are no physicians on the Forbes 400 who got there from practicing medicine, but a few lawyers who got there practicing law, I certainly do not think doctors are overpaid compared to lawyers.  My contemporaries are the best and brightest regardless of profession.  Some are certainly not valued fully in economic terms.  This applies across professions.  In the long run this does influence what professions the best and brightest choose.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: chucky</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/09/why-obgyns-are-becoming-harder-to-find.html#comment-67347</link> <dc:creator>chucky</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 19:14:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/09/why-obgyns-are-becoming-harder-to-find.html#comment-67347</guid> <description>&quot;Very few lawyers earn 6 figures 3 years out of college. The average attorney salary is only $100K, a full $50K behind physicians.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I guess that helps explain why they have to play the bogus lawsuit lottery.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Very few lawyers earn 6 figures 3 years out of college. The average attorney salary is only $100K, a full $50K behind physicians.&#8221;</p><p>I guess that helps explain why they have to play the bogus lawsuit lottery.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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