Comments made on this blog are passionate and often inflammatory. Big Fat Blog went so far as to complain about a commenter to his employer.
Apparently, BFB was referring to this post where the comments were “lined with fat hatred”:
While he might be stating a fact, I think a lot can be read into the tone of the post. After all, if he wanted to just say that the table could support a fat person he could just say so; instead he chose to compare this to the tools used at a zoo. Ridiculous.There’s also a second post Kate_P pointed out that includes more fat-bashing comments from alleged physicians and non-physicians.
Kate_P argued that it was good to see these comments out there to get a bead on what some physicians are thinking, and start asking what we can do to change the way physicians are taught to work with fat people. If a physician is respectful to your face and then posts about you (indirectly) on a blog somewhere, that’s rather unprofessional, no?
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Apparently, some people on BFB think this may have gone too far:
If what he said was soo upsetting, why not contact him directly and tell him why his comment was offensive?!? Why not contact the owner of the blog and complain about the posters? WTF!Does his workplace have to do with anything? Nothing! Seems to me he was a scapegoat for the other awful things the annon posters wrote. But what jmar did is far more offensive to me than what any of those people on that board said.* * * * *Since when did Fat Activism turn into harassing medical professionals at work for doing nothing more than having a supposed opinion that a person doesn’t like? Especially with the second comment in question, which is hardly grossly offensive. If you’re looking for revenge on the true jackasses posting in that community, don’t look for the ONE person you can identify and try to crucify them with their employer. There is no good — NONE — that can come out of that kind of overreaction.
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“What I don’t get, what I truly don’t get is why any person (medical professional or otherwise) would use such hateful terms to descirbe another human being. Why is it okay to slam a fat person? What makes it okay? Would someone please tell me why so many seek with their words to dehumanize fat people.”
Because “professional” is no longer a part of being a physician. Their sole goal is more money in their pockets for less work. They no longer feel a duty to the public. They no longer feel a responsibility to society. It’s get as much as I can as quickly as I can, and screw everyone else.
Which is why one day soon they’ll all be just another branch of the civil service. Only slightly different from any other govt. employee.
Why do people come to read a blog page where the comments threads are known for being particularly frank, and even controversial and abrasive, and then complain that things don’t seem “professional”? Have a clue. This is where people let their hair down about the things in their professional jobs that bug them. This isn’t your doctor’s office. This isn’t a professional encounter. You aren’t paying for anything, and the doctors posting here aren’t acting as your doctor when they write here. Those who post here can be “professional”–which I think means reserved and restrained in the expectations of those who complain–but they aren’t required to be. Are you really that naive to think that doctors don’t find some of their patients incredibly irritating and maddening to deal with? Do you really think they are blind to behavior in patients that any other normal person would find utterly off-putting and sickening. Sure, most set those feelings aside in patient encounters the interests of professionalism, but that doesn’t mean those feelings aren’t there or that they aren’t bothersome.
What is amazing here isn’t what the doctors say or think (and I am not convinced that every abrasive poster is necessarily a medical doctor), what is amazing is the naivete of non-physician readers whose interest extends to surfing medical blogs. You would think someone with the resources to do so would have enough experience and sophistication to know and expect doctors to have negative opinions about quite a few things they see everyday. Sometimes I think some folks believe we wear white coats to bed.
The O-beast-lee do not need to set aside extra time to stay fit. I do my own yard work, open my own garage door, do my own housework while wearing weights. Most of my neighbors outsource chores to others, so it’s rare to find a homeowner here who mows their own lawn. I stand at my home desk (you can purchase an electric desk at IKEA). I refuse to go out of my way to exercise, so I have made exercise fit into my daily life. You make choices in life, make good ones. Life is short and shorter still if your genes are working against you.
I feel a twinge sometimes when I read the “fat” remarks, being a fat person myself, but even as thin skinned as I am I take these comments for what they are – someones opinion.
Here is a prime example of what can happen when people forget that the internet, and blogging, is a place of free expression…
http://www.mumsnet.com/lw/state.html
I will not quit reading these blogs or complain to a soul (well…I did tell my husband about some of the comments cause he’s a fatty too).It would have never occured to be to complain to anyone.
Blogging is supposed to be fun. When it quits being fun, stop reading and writing.
And that, my friends, is the strongest comment you will ever read from me on anyones site other than my own.
“Those who post here can be “professional”–which I think means reserved and restrained in the expectations of those who complain–but they aren’t required to be. “
If that is what you think being professional means then it’s no wonder you don’t understand what we’re talking about.
Can anyone figure out why you rarely see fatties exercising. Three possible explanations:
A fourth explanation: fat people don’t like to exercise in situations where they will be laughed at, taunted, etc. I exercise for an hour each morning; I do it in the privacy of my own home where I don’t have to deal with other people ridiculing me.
>>”If that is what you think being professional means then it’s no wonder you don’t understand what we’re talking about.”
No, that is what I think some readers posting here who object to what is written appear to expect in the way of “professionalism”, at least their version of it on the internet. That has nothing to do with my understanding of professionalism at all. What you don’t seem to get is that neither you nor anyone else reading have a right to expect the same considerations that would apply to a professional medical encounter.
This is an internet blog thread, not yours or anyone’s doctor’s office. Is that so hard to grasp?
What this is, is a medical blog that belongs to a real physician, using his own name. Those things somehow seem to imply that persons might be able to read here and get educated on medical issues.
Noone would think that visiting a medical blog would be reasons for abuse. This is the most hateful filled medical blog on the entire internet. It caters to the lowest persons in that profession. Of course they get mad when people complain or ask for their to be some semblance of moderation. The trolls have found a home here. They have no place else where they can go and be allowed to abuse in such a way as they can here. I remember when almost everyone used their own names and somehow folks had a good back and forth without resorting to abuse. That is all gone now. Kevin has made it perfectly clear that he is more upset by the people who would like these trolls gone than by the actual trolls themself.
Seems very odd that he wants them (trolls)to have all this freedon to abuse folks and then he gets upset at the people who wish them gone.
Buyer beware. A blog, a book, a television show is no substitute for a real, live, face-to-face doctor encounter.
There is a well-recognized subgroup of people who have an inordinate need to control every relationship in their life, including the one between doctor and patient. They work overtime reading the PDR, websites, or talk to relatives who work in healthcare, about medical topics. Some may want to one-up their doctor. Some pour over the small print of every package insert and turn up with the most obscure side effect of a medicine which allows them to not take medicine. The irony is they run to the doctor constantly, obsessively, tirelessly with every minor complaint imaginable. Every bowel movement is headline news in their thinking.
If you find yourself identifying with what I’ve written, take a chill pill. This blog doesn’t factor into what would be termed “doctor-patient” relationship. It’s like a break room at work, and you’re little more than a voyeur on some level, fascinated yet repulsed at the same time!
Sit back and enjoy the view few of you would otherwise have access to spoilpsort.
“What you don’t seem to get is that neither you nor anyone else reading have a right to expect the same considerations that would apply to a professional medical encounter.”
Perhaps you haven’t read very closely, but many of your colleagues have stated that is exactly how they would and do treat their existing patients and are looking forward to doing so in the future.
Chris RN, there are also many RNs trying to “one up” the doctors.
What ever happened to “First, do no harm”?
http://win.niddk.nih.gov/publications/medical.htm
http://www.aafp.org/afp/20020101/81.html
http://www.aafp.org/fpm/20020100/25towa.html
http://focus.hms.harvard.edu/2002/Sep27_2002/forum.html
>>”Perhaps you haven’t read very closely, but many of your colleagues have stated that is exactly how they would and do treat their existing patients and are looking forward to doing so in the future.”
I can read just fine. Say vs. do, huge difference there. I just don’t believe everything I read here literally, especially when the topics involve venting or are provocative. Do you suppose if someone says in the back office out of earshot that they want to choke the s**t out of someone else, even a patient, that they really mean they intend to do so?
It is hard to imagine how so many people get their pants in a bunch over stuff like this. What a bunch of hand-wringing ninnies. Are you that isolated from reality that you can’t see someone blowing off steam? Please get yourself something that resembles a life.
I dont agree with someone being reported to their employer for comments made on a blog.
But some of you do really need to get some new training or empathy.
Some of you need to get a clue about how people really have to live.
You think everyone’s body works like your own. You think your hunger levels match everyone else’s. If I ate only 1200 calories a day, Ive tried trust me, I would be having severe hunger PAINS [not emotional but physical] all day long.
What is 1200 calories? A bowl of soup and sandwich and a glass of orange juice and then youre done eating for the rest of the day?
Am I a moral and complete failure for desiring mroe to eat? A fat blob who simply cant control herself because she had a soup, sandwich and glass of orange juice at lunch and now its 7pm and she’s hungry again.
Diets are a joke too, give me 400 bucks a week for groceries and maybe I can follow all the complicated recipes in most of the books. For now Im having to buy way too much damn pasta and cheap meat while going to the veggie stands for cheap produce, which really around here only lasts for three months out of the year.
And Oatmeal and berries? You got to be kidding me!. Even the prediabetic insulin sensitive will be passing out within the hour. Theyll then be hungry only two hours later. I havent eaten cereal in YEARS. Cereal is the WORSE thing you can tell fat people to eat. People need protein in the morning, please go get some nutritional training.
Doctor can you help that pain in my stomach and my brain that wants food for the other 12 hours of the day?
Oh and the exercise thing, I ended up in the ER once when I joined the Y and had a severe asthma attack. I was actually thrown out of the class and told I was too unhealthy. Am I supposed to throw up everyday phlemg and lung plugs while going outside to feel the burn?
Why cant I get a cheap gym membership on a low income? I cant even afford the Y anymore.
Why arent there any physical therapists or exercise programs out there to help me move in a safe manner?
From what I know most doctors come from upper middle socioeconomic classes. [with exceptions from overseas] They have had highly nuitritious food, leisure activities, and sports that have been a part of their lifestyle.
Most do not understand how the average person lives. If my husband was to get a middle class or upper middle class job within the year, I know I would lose 100 lbs within the year without even thinking about it. I could go to Whole Foods and buy extremely nutritionally dense food, low calories with high nutritient, I could hire a trainer physical threapist to help me work around my severe respiratory issues.
I know what I need but dont have the means to get it. I guess the empathy deficient here, wouldnt never even consider those possiblities.
Here is another inspirational story for you. Irina Slutskaya suffers from a serious desease (vasculitis) for which she takes drugs that cause weight gain. So she has a valid reason to gain weight, right? But not only she manages to maintain her weight, she also got a bronze medal on last olympics. OK, you are not a competitive athlete, but you are not taking medicines that cause weight gain either. And surely loosing weight cannot be more difficult than going to the olympics while suffering from debilitating illness.”
well gee if an OLYMPIC ALL STAR can do it [who has DAILY access to an endless cadre of trainers and gyms] why cant the rest of us lazy slobs?
Give me a break!
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I’m terrified of what life will be like for me after thyroidectomy…should by hypothyroidism be undermanaged. Terrified. Will I be looked down on, blamed, judged, hated because I put on weight?”
Yes.
I went from a more normal weight to severely obese in a short period of time due to illness including THYROID.
I actually have wished I had hyperthyroidism instead of hypothyroidism from all the hell Ive been put through.
Most of the doctors will lie to you too about you gaining weight from hypothyroidism, so even if your hair is falling out and your skin is breaking out, they will tell you to quit eating and to quit whining.
I stopped gaining weight the month I started on thyroid pills but supposely was a lazy fat ass, for thinking I was gaining weight from my thyroid.
All the comments here, if you gain any weight be prepared.
What is 1200 calories? A bowl of soup and sandwich and a glass of orange juice and then youre done eating for the rest of the day?
So replace sandwitches with something else. American sandwitches are huge. Where I grew up a sandwitch was about 1/4 of what is called a sandwitch in the US. A sandwitch here may be the worst you can do – it often includes high calorie stuff, like lots of mayonnaise and/or cheese as well as two huge slices of white bread. The latter add calories as well as raise you blood sugar so you are hungry soon. Some soups contain lots of cheese. So maybe you can replace it with something that has less calories but is still satisfying.
Let’s see how can you fit 3 reasonable meals in 1200 calories:
A beaf stew as in
this recipe – 325 calories. And something like this could easily be a dinner entry.
You might find this recipe too complicated, but you can make something simpler with the same amount of lean beef and something to go with it, e.g. steamed vegetables. Eat this for dinner and you’ll still have 875 calories left for two other meals.
Or you can make a bigger dinner and eat less for other meals. For example, 126g of broiled beef tenderloin is 291 calories. Add to it some steamed vegetables, and you may have a pretty decent dinner of only 400 calories. 800 calories left for two smaller meals and some fruit. Don’t like steamed vegetables – a cup of cooked brown rice is 218 calories. This gives you a dinner entry of 500 calories with 700 left for 2 smaller meals. Replace brown rice with buckwheat and you end up with less calories; replace beef with fish, and it’ll be even less.
Don’t like oatmeal? Prefer scrambled eggs? 100g of those is
only 160 calories Add to it a glass of orange juice – 112 calories, and you’ll get 272 calories breakfast. If it is too boring, one slice of turkey bacon is only 40 calories. Still a breakfast of just a little over 300 calories.
Even creamed cottage cheese with fruit is only
219 calories. Is it such a bad breakfast? Use reduced fat cottage cheese instead and it’ll be less.
So, you can easily have a dinner of 500 calories and breakfast of 300 calories with 400 calories left for lunch. Maybe not enough for a huge sandwitch, but might be enough for a smaller open one.
A friend of mine who was pretty fat recently lost about 45 pounds and so far managed to keep it off. You may say 45 pounds is not a lot, but it was a big percentage of her weight because she is short – under 5′. She decided to loose weight because her blood pressure was high and she didn’t want to go on drugs – she told her doctor that she’d rather loose weight. Unlike so many others who say the same thing, she actually followed through. Now her blood pressure is fine.
She didn’t go on any crash diet, and she has very little time to exercise beyond walking to the bus station to go to work and back, and she is over 50. She has never eaten really huge portions or too much fat, her problem was that she loved white bread and ate it with every meal. Lots of it. So, she simply stopped eating white bread and started eating more fruit instead. Beyond that, she ate her normal meals. I realize that this may not be your situation, but there may be something else you can cut e.g. sugary drinks or muffins.
well gee if an OLYMPIC ALL STAR can do it [who has DAILY access to an endless cadre of trainers and gyms] why cant the rest of us lazy slobs?
Yes she does. You have a point here. But she also has a debilitating and painful illness and has to take drugs that cause weight gain. I am sure some percentage of overweight people do have some health issues. But not the majority. Otherwise we wouldn’t have so many more obese people now than 30 years ago.
10:56,
As long as you think you are fat because your husband doesn’t make enough money or because others have things that you don’t you will remain fat.
Wow, the philosophies of the liberal educators really brainwashed you into a mental midget. Absolutely astounding and sad.
Diora, I Pray that in my next life I can be as perfect as what you assume you are. However, I think I’ll leave the judegemental behind. You must spend so much time online because God knows you probably don’t have many friends that want to hang out with you. Most people tend to stay away from one so judgemental.
Why is it any of your concern whatsoever how much anyone weighs? Your not a medical Physician. I think you are just mean spirited. You get some thrill of making others feel bad.
Sad!
Do you guys ever try to question your patients a little to get more facts? I know people who have hunger pains and feel like they must eat. On further questioning it came to light that what they really had were symptoms of ulcers and eating made the pains that they confused with hunger pains feel better. Once their ulcers were treated and those pains went away then they stopped overeating. That is just one example.
What a sorry bunch of professional physicians you guys are. How nice it must be to be so lousy at your jobs that you blame your pateints for your shortcomings. Did you sleep all the way through med school?
Why is it any of your concern whatsoever how much anyone weighs?
It is not except for when someone wants to create “fat tax” which means that I would have to pay more for some food items. Then it affects me personally. It was my problem when I had to fly with someone who took up half of my seat and I was very uncomfortable; on a longer flilght I’d be in a real physical pain. We are not talking about being mildly overweight here – most people have a tendency to gain weight as they get older unless they actively try to prevent it and work hard at it. This is about really obese people, like those who wouldn’t fit in a plane seat; also obese children. Tell me, how getting an 8 year old to be obese is not child abuse?
Beyond this, I have no problem with other people’s weight.
Incidentally, I’ve never said I was perfect, I’ve never called anybody names. I simply gave suggestions based on my and my friend’s experience in loosing weight and keeping it off. I’ve been fighting with weight ever since my ovaries failed when I was in my early thirties. I was gaining slowly – a couple of pounds here, a couple of pounds there, year after year. At one point I crossed into the “overweight” category and which point I said, enough is enough. Then I lost extra weight and so far managed to keep it off. But it is a fight. Which is why I pay attention to calories. I was trying to share my experience, and that of my friend who really was obese and lost weight. But you are clearly happy the way you are. Which is fine as long as you don’t expect me to give you half of my seat or pay “fat taxes”.
My God, I have never heard people make up so many excuses for themselves. You can’t lose weight because you are not upper or middle class- give me a break! You think all those skinny starving kids in Africa are rich? Using your logic one would think that Americans were at their fattest during the Depression (I mean, after all they couldn’t afford to join a gym or go to Whole Foods either, right?). Guess again. Obesity rates exploded during the prosperous nineties.
Stop feeling sorry for yourselves and making tired, ridiculous excuses. So you can’t join a gym- going for a walk around the neighborhood and doing some crunches or push-ups on your bedroom floor is free. And please, it does not take two hours a day. Work exercise into your daily activities. Do some sit-ups in the morning while you watch the news. Take a quick jog around the block. Use the stairs, not the elevator. Look for the farthest parking spot at the store, not the closest. Play with your kids outside or take the dog for a long walk.
Can’t shop at Whole Foods? Neither can I- there isn’t one close to me. I shop Sav-a-Lot, where I purchase skim milk, whole grain bread, chicken breasts (instead of beef), giant boxes of brown rice, frozen veggies and “diet” or “light” versions of anything I can. Stop drinking calories (except for milk). You’d be amazed how many calories the average person cuts by dropping soda, juice, etc. Go to McDonalds if you must, but get a Happy Meal instead of a super-sized meal, or the grilled chicken sandwhich, or a salad.
Sure 1200 calories goes fast if you’re eating typical sandwhiches, creamed soups and juices. Try a frozen Lean Cuisine, bottled water and fruit. That’s well under 500. You can grill a chicken breast with brown rice (just as cheap as white), a salad and veggies for 400. For a breakfast with protein you can have three scrambled egg whites, a low-fat string cheese and a slice of canadian bacon for 400 too. Throw in an apple for some fiber. There, you still have 100-200 calories left over for a healthy snack or two, or even a modest dessert. And none of those foods are fancy or expensive.
I should add to that last post the very few obese people need to cut all the way down to 1200 calories a day to lose weight. Most women could lose with 2000, or maybe 1600.
What is this business about being too poor to lose weight? You think you’d be thinner if only your husband had a better job? Sorry- I call bullshit on that. Oprah Winfrey’s the richest woman in the world, and she still has to struggle with her weight. And God bless her for trying.
Morbid obesity is about emotional issues, self-control and self-esteem. Money won’t fix that. It’ll just buy you filet mignon instead of cube steak. If you are 100 or more pounds overweight, you need to admit that there is a problem, pure and simple. Then you need to try to fix it. You aren’t doing yourself any favors by inventing excuse after excuse for your lifestyle.
As for whether it should be anyone else’s business as to what someone weighs- I agree with Diora. If the U.S. was seeing double-digit increases in any other kind of deadly disease over the past few decades, it would be a public health emergency and we’d all be alarmed. On a personal level, I don’t care what you do to your own body. But at some point, the obese population starts to cost us all in the form of public health dollars. When hospitals and fire companies need to spend part of their stretched budgets purchasing bigger equipment to accomodate large bodies, when Medicare and Medicaid are going bankrupt in part paying for the healthcare problems of the obese (their diabetes, high blood pressure, joint problems, etc.), when eight times as many children today are obese compared to fifty years ago (nothing short of child abuse IMO) and three times as many have type TWO diabetes, and yes, when I have to give up half my seat on the airplane, bus, subway car etc. to an obese person’s ass… then yeah, I do care. Every American should.
ELIZABETH…
Medicaid going broke because of the obese? Does that somehow imply that a majority of obese are on medicaid? LOL…You people with all your prejudices are a riot! And a damn sick riot at that. What about cancer? Maybe you just discriminate against those people. Alot of medical and ins. money being sucked up in cancer treatment.Maybe they are to blame for their own cancer? If they had gotten that colonoscopy or PAP test like they should have they wouldn’t have gotten cancer so maybe we should just crucify them for being sick. If those damn heart disease sufferers would have changed their lifestyles long ago we wouldn’t be paying for them to have coronary surgeries. Do you see how simple minded that all sounds?
Why stop there with medicaid? How about all the unwed teens having babies? Notice that was plural and not single, as in 3 or 4 or even 8 or 9?
Do you like supporting all those babies that you didn’t create? What about their deadbeat dads, you like paying for his kids medical bills. When you figure out all this then you come talk to me about obese people. until then you should take a lesson on “how to be Civil to fellow human beings.”
so we should all be replicas of the “Skinny starving kids in africa”? You people are completely crazy! Just who in hell do you think you are that you belive you have some god given right to give all your pseudo advise to people. Just so you know, I’m not over weight and have never been. But, I also don’t talk the way you guys do to other human beings. And you think they have problems?
You did not read my message clearly, or you would have seen that I said public health programs are going bankrupt “IN PART” because of problems with obesity. There are other problems too (although you should know that the teenage birthrate in this country has actually declined over the past two decades) but they are not the focus of this thread so I didn’t bring them up. Obesity has been noted by the CDC as the number two PREVENTABLE (there is your difference between this and cancer) cause of death in this country. It increases your risk of developing over thirty other life-threatening diseases. How can you argue that this does not affect heath care budgets as more and more people in this country become seriously overweight? I’ll accept that there will always be a small percentage of people in any population who are obese due to genetics or disease, but come on- the number of morbidly obese people in this country has DOUBLED in just one generation, and nearly TRIPLED since the time of the Depression. That isn’t genetics or thyroidism, sorry. It is preventable lifestyle choices.
Medical science has not proven that there are lifestyle choices one can make to either 100% prevent or reverse the onset of deadly cancers and other diseases. There are steps which can be taken to reduce the risk in some cases (i.e., sunscreen for skin cancer, safe sex for cervical cancer/HPV and not smoking for lung cancer) but they are nowhere near foolproof. People who have never smoked a day in their lives can still develop lung cancer. And once someone has cancer, they can hardly choose to get rid of it by eating healthier food and exercising.
People who are morbidly obese got that way as a direct result of their lifestyle choices. They eat more calories than their body needs, and/or do not burn enough off with activity. The reasons for this aren’t as simple as pure gluttony, of course, but in the end they are responsible for what they have done to their bodies. They have an addiction to food, not much different than drugs or alcohol.
Should we be sympathetic and “accepting” of drug abuse or any other addiction in this country? Should we use “addict-friendly language” so as not to hurt their feelings too? After all, quitting drugs is extremely difficult and those withdrawal cravings are stronger than any hunger pain a dieter feels. And addictions do have a strong genetic/family connection so, you know, it really isn’t their fault in the first place…
Anon 1:01- no one is going around giving unsolicited “psuedo” advice. I can speak for myself to say that I was responding directly to a poster who claimed it was impossible to eat filling meals on 1200 calories per day. I offered examples to the contrary, because they are wrong. Others have claimed that they cannot exercise effectively without a two-hour block of time each to or the money to join a fancy gym. Again, I offered examples to the contrary because this is also wrong. There was nothing insidious or mean-spirited in the way the message was delivered. Sorry if the truth hurts.
It is very dangerous to go around promoting this idea that the only way to lose weight is to eat one meal a day, buy expensive stuff from Whole Foods, hire a personal trainer or join an expensive gym. It is flat-out wrong, and anyone who uses these ideas as reasons why they cannot lose weight are in denial.
If you’re fat and happy- fine, say so. Just say, I like eating too many calories and I’m not willing to make the effort to exercise, and I know I’m overweight because if it and that’s okay with me. I can’t argue with that. But don’t come on here complaining that you could lose weight if only x,y, and z were different and making excuses for yourself. And even if you are fat and happy, don’t make accomodating your size in public everyone else’s problem.
What I think people are saying is it’s none of your damn business what anyone weighs. If they happen to be on the same public transportation as you and God forbid take up some of the space that you AREN’T using then for God sake complain to someone.
If they happen to be on the same public transportation as you and God forbid take up some of the space that you AREN’T using then for God sake complain to someone.
We might not be using it this second, but there is a difference between sitting squashed unable to move and sitting comfortably. On a 10-hour flight it makes a lot of difference not just in comfort, but in long-term health.
As This woman tried to complain. A lot of good it did her.
In all honesty, when the airlines are trying to shove 5 people (seats A thru E) into such a small area on one side of a plane I’m not sure who’s fault it is when someone hangs over the edge or aren’t comfortable. I weight in the 130s range and I’ve never had a comfortable plane ride since they started squeezing so many into that size area. last time I flew there was a man beside who didn’t look one bit overweight. But, he was about 6ft 5in and probably 250 lbs. I can promise he was alot more uncomfortable than what I was. I kept trying to move over so he could have more of my seat.
Thinness should not be an excuse for lack of common courtesy.
I weight in the 130s range and I’ve never had a comfortable plane ride since they started squeezing so many into that size area.
This is the thing – it is already uncomfortable. When someone is occupying half of your seat, it gets intolerable.
I kept trying to move over so he could have more of my seat.
Was it a short flight or an 8-hour flight?
Thinness should not be an excuse for lack of common courtesy.
You could let him have part of your seat without long-term health consequences for you, great. This woman had torn muscles in your leg. Would you cosider it a requirement of common courtesy to sacrifice muscles in your leg?
“Thinness should not be an excuse for lack of common courtesy.”
For that matter, neither should obesity. Nor should it be an excuse for neglecting safety or being a public hazard.
Get a life asshole! You’re pathetic. How in hell is someones weigh a public hazard to you? Mind your own business! I think some fat woman probaly stole your husband and now you are all up in arms and mad at all obese people.
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