<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Why are there not more malpractice suits against lawyers?</title> <atom:link href="http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/06/why-are-there-not-more-malpractice.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/06/why-are-there-not-more-malpractice.html</link> <description></description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:57:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/06/why-are-there-not-more-malpractice.html#comment-64401</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:35:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/06/why-are-there-not-more-malpractice-suits-against-lawyers.html#comment-64401</guid> <description>HMMM.  So there is no standards. No guidelines. The very things lawyers keep harping for on this blog.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HMMM.  So there is no standards. No guidelines. The very things lawyers keep harping for on this blog.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: sailorman</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/06/why-are-there-not-more-malpractice.html#comment-64393</link> <dc:creator>sailorman</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:04:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/06/why-are-there-not-more-malpractice-suits-against-lawyers.html#comment-64393</guid> <description>Um, lawyers DO get sued.  All the time.  In fact, my weekly (note: weekly, not monthly or yearly) mass. lawyer paper always multiple contains summaries of lawyer discipline.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In reality, it&#039;s harder to win a legal malpractice suit than a medical one.  That&#039;s not because of any vast conspiracy, though.  It&#039;s merely that there&#039;s a LOT more flexibility in &quot;how to try a case&quot; than in &quot;How to treat a pulmonary emobolism.&quot;  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Some truly amazing legal minds use very different tactics.  So there&#039;s much less of a &quot;standard&quot; to work from.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There&#039;s also the causation element.  Just like in a medmal case: it&#039;s nto enough that you did something wrong.  You also have to caused the harm BECAUSE of what you did.  So you essentially need to prove that you &quot;would have won&quot; if the lawyer hadn&#039;t fucked up.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Obviously, this is very difficult to do.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Finally: lawyers settle.  If we&#039;re wrong, we usually know it.  So fewer cases against lawyers tend to go to trial in any event.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If a client is unhappy, they usually just refuse to pay the lawyer.  And guess what?  It&#039;s INCREDIBLY difficult to win a case against your own client for that sort of thing, even if you DID do a good job and even if your client DID deserve the bad outcome.  Plus it&#039;s a PR nightmare for obvious reasons.  So you just let it slide.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, lawyers DO get sued.  All the time.  In fact, my weekly (note: weekly, not monthly or yearly) mass. lawyer paper always multiple contains summaries of lawyer discipline.</p><p>In reality, it&#8217;s harder to win a legal malpractice suit than a medical one.  That&#8217;s not because of any vast conspiracy, though.  It&#8217;s merely that there&#8217;s a LOT more flexibility in &#8220;how to try a case&#8221; than in &#8220;How to treat a pulmonary emobolism.&#8221;</p><p>Some truly amazing legal minds use very different tactics.  So there&#8217;s much less of a &#8220;standard&#8221; to work from.</p><p>There&#8217;s also the causation element.  Just like in a medmal case: it&#8217;s nto enough that you did something wrong.  You also have to caused the harm BECAUSE of what you did.  So you essentially need to prove that you &#8220;would have won&#8221; if the lawyer hadn&#8217;t fucked up.</p><p>Obviously, this is very difficult to do.</p><p>Finally: lawyers settle.  If we&#8217;re wrong, we usually know it.  So fewer cases against lawyers tend to go to trial in any event.</p><p>If a client is unhappy, they usually just refuse to pay the lawyer.  And guess what?  It&#8217;s INCREDIBLY difficult to win a case against your own client for that sort of thing, even if you DID do a good job and even if your client DID deserve the bad outcome.  Plus it&#8217;s a PR nightmare for obvious reasons.  So you just let it slide.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: NoAcuteDistress</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/06/why-are-there-not-more-malpractice.html#comment-64363</link> <dc:creator>NoAcuteDistress</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 00:47:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/06/why-are-there-not-more-malpractice-suits-against-lawyers.html#comment-64363</guid> <description>Once again:  You know the law, I know medicine.  Aren&#039;t you guys the ones who harp on about res ipsa loquitur?  This case is so BLOODY ovbvious to anyone with half a brain that it SCREAMS legal malpractice.  But you prefer to stick up for the inpcompetents in your field while hurling criticism at doctors for supposedly covering up for theirs.  I don&#039;t have to read reams of paper to know the fact which you simply choose to ignore:.  The setting in which this was done was inapproriate for this patient due to the co-morbidities, PERIOD. All else followed from that, not the idiot plainitif&#039;s attorney&#039;s brainstorm about the morphine dosages. This guy ignored the elephant under the carpet while trying to make a case that the flea therein was the cause of the huge stench.  Case closed.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again:  You know the law, I know medicine.  Aren&#8217;t you guys the ones who harp on about res ipsa loquitur?  This case is so BLOODY ovbvious to anyone with half a brain that it SCREAMS legal malpractice.  But you prefer to stick up for the inpcompetents in your field while hurling criticism at doctors for supposedly covering up for theirs.  I don&#8217;t have to read reams of paper to know the fact which you simply choose to ignore:.  The setting in which this was done was inapproriate for this patient due to the co-morbidities, PERIOD. All else followed from that, not the idiot plainitif&#8217;s attorney&#8217;s brainstorm about the morphine dosages. This guy ignored the elephant under the carpet while trying to make a case that the flea therein was the cause of the huge stench.  Case closed.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/06/why-are-there-not-more-malpractice.html#comment-64346</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 17:28:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/06/why-are-there-not-more-malpractice-suits-against-lawyers.html#comment-64346</guid> <description>Of course, since, again, you read a NEWSPAPER ARTICLE about the case, as opposed to the hundreds of pages of trial testimony, you still have no clue what evidence was or was not put on.  Maybe they did put that evidence on and the defendant physician put on an expert who said otherwise.  If it was so clear, don&#039;t you think the defendant, his insurer, or his experts would have recognized this and offered to settle?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Or maybe you can read minds?  If so, then that&#039;s pretty cool.  I applaud you for that.  If not, you&#039;re basically mouthing off about a case you know nothing about.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As for why other lawyers wouldn&#039;t be after him, two reasons.  One, we haven&#039;t read the transcript either - novel idea, knowing the facts, eh?  And two, it&#039;s not our claim - it&#039;s the family&#039;s.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Perhaps your uninformed outrage will serve a greater purpose, though.  Can we count on you to contact plaintiff&#039;s attorneys in your area and let them know you&#039;re available to review medical records in their cases?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, since, again, you read a NEWSPAPER ARTICLE about the case, as opposed to the hundreds of pages of trial testimony, you still have no clue what evidence was or was not put on.  Maybe they did put that evidence on and the defendant physician put on an expert who said otherwise.  If it was so clear, don&#8217;t you think the defendant, his insurer, or his experts would have recognized this and offered to settle?</p><p>Or maybe you can read minds?  If so, then that&#8217;s pretty cool.  I applaud you for that.  If not, you&#8217;re basically mouthing off about a case you know nothing about.</p><p>As for why other lawyers wouldn&#8217;t be after him, two reasons.  One, we haven&#8217;t read the transcript either &#8211; novel idea, knowing the facts, eh?  And two, it&#8217;s not our claim &#8211; it&#8217;s the family&#8217;s.</p><p>Perhaps your uninformed outrage will serve a greater purpose, though.  Can we count on you to contact plaintiff&#8217;s attorneys in your area and let them know you&#8217;re available to review medical records in their cases?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: NoAcuteDistress</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/06/why-are-there-not-more-malpractice.html#comment-64345</link> <dc:creator>NoAcuteDistress</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 17:04:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/06/why-are-there-not-more-malpractice-suits-against-lawyers.html#comment-64345</guid> <description>Anon 7:36  I know the specialty I practice and on that basis alone I know that the patietnt in the Down&#039;s Syndrome case was not represented adequazely.  I know my medicine Do YOU??&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Any self-respecting otolaryngologist or anesthesiologist could tell you that this patient should NOT have been operated on in an outpatient surgical center given the underlying co-morbidities.  That the family&#039;s fool of a lawyer couldn&#039;t figure out that THAT was the strategy to pursue to get the family justice (that&#039;s what it&#039;s all about anyway ISN&#039;T IT??) rather than the ludicrous one of harping on the morphine dosing in the recovery room, proves how incompetent he was.  Why aren&#039;t any of you legal beagles out there demanding this idiot&#039;s head??</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon 7:36  I know the specialty I practice and on that basis alone I know that the patietnt in the Down&#8217;s Syndrome case was not represented adequazely.  I know my medicine Do YOU??</p><p>Any self-respecting otolaryngologist or anesthesiologist could tell you that this patient should NOT have been operated on in an outpatient surgical center given the underlying co-morbidities.  That the family&#8217;s fool of a lawyer couldn&#8217;t figure out that THAT was the strategy to pursue to get the family justice (that&#8217;s what it&#8217;s all about anyway ISN&#8217;T IT??) rather than the ludicrous one of harping on the morphine dosing in the recovery room, proves how incompetent he was.  Why aren&#8217;t any of you legal beagles out there demanding this idiot&#8217;s head??</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/06/why-are-there-not-more-malpractice.html#comment-64337</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:56:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/06/why-are-there-not-more-malpractice-suits-against-lawyers.html#comment-64337</guid> <description>&quot;He didn&#039;t tell any lies but by him refusing to take the oath and having to start each senteence with &quot;I didn&#039;t take the oath&quot; would lead weight to the fact he might have been lying.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sounds like a poor way to start, I agree.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;He didn&#8217;t tell any lies but by him refusing to take the oath and having to start each senteence with &#8220;I didn&#8217;t take the oath&#8221; would lead weight to the fact he might have been lying.&#8221;</p><p>Sounds like a poor way to start, I agree.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/06/why-are-there-not-more-malpractice.html#comment-64336</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:55:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/06/why-are-there-not-more-malpractice-suits-against-lawyers.html#comment-64336</guid> <description>Ted, no one claims you said there were no malpractice suits.  What you said was &quot;Yet, even with hundreds of millions of dollars at stake, one almost never sees legal malpractice claims in a lost or settled case.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The only comment that was made was that the fact you don&#039;t is not really surprising, given how few stats are kept of any different types of lawsuits.  You were trying to make a point to further your cause, but really had no factual basis.  Which is fine.  The truth is, unless you&#039;ve done some survey of legal malpractice claims, you have no idea what kinds of actions lead to legal malpractice claims.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ted, no one claims you said there were no malpractice suits.  What you said was &#8220;Yet, even with hundreds of millions of dollars at stake, one almost never sees legal malpractice claims in a lost or settled case.&#8221;</p><p>The only comment that was made was that the fact you don&#8217;t is not really surprising, given how few stats are kept of any different types of lawsuits.  You were trying to make a point to further your cause, but really had no factual basis.  Which is fine.  The truth is, unless you&#8217;ve done some survey of legal malpractice claims, you have no idea what kinds of actions lead to legal malpractice claims.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/06/why-are-there-not-more-malpractice.html#comment-64335</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:49:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/06/why-are-there-not-more-malpractice-suits-against-lawyers.html#comment-64335</guid> <description>The hearing I was refering to was with an ALJ. At this hearing everyone was sworn in at the same time. &quot;Raise your right hand and repeat these words&quot; Everyone in the room did so except my attorney. It all turned out alright and I won the hearing, but, why is it that he didn&#039;t say the &quot;Oath?&quot; He didn&#039;t tell any lies but by him refusing to take the oath and having to start each senteence with &quot;I didn&#039;t take the oath&quot; would lead weight to the fact he might have been lying.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The hearing I was refering to was with an ALJ. At this hearing everyone was sworn in at the same time. &#8220;Raise your right hand and repeat these words&#8221; Everyone in the room did so except my attorney. It all turned out alright and I won the hearing, but, why is it that he didn&#8217;t say the &#8220;Oath?&#8221; He didn&#8217;t tell any lies but by him refusing to take the oath and having to start each senteence with &#8220;I didn&#8217;t take the oath&#8221; would lead weight to the fact he might have been lying.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ted</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/06/why-are-there-not-more-malpractice.html#comment-64330</link> <dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 00:39:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/06/why-are-there-not-more-malpractice-suits-against-lawyers.html#comment-64330</guid> <description>I didn&#039;t say there were no legal malpractice suits.  I said lawyers don&#039;t get sued on the discretionary judgment calls doctors get sued on.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That July 2004 malpractice verdict Anonymous points to--where the lawyers wrote a deliberately false letter to its client to the benefit of another client--was the lawyer equivalent of Dr. Defendant telling a patient that he didn&#039;t need chemotherapy for his treatable cancer because the doctor wanted to sell him sugar pills that he deliberately falsely told the patient would cure his cancer.  I think even the doctors here would agree that should be actionable.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t say there were no legal malpractice suits.  I said lawyers don&#8217;t get sued on the discretionary judgment calls doctors get sued on.</p><p>That July 2004 malpractice verdict Anonymous points to&#8211;where the lawyers wrote a deliberately false letter to its client to the benefit of another client&#8211;was the lawyer equivalent of Dr. Defendant telling a patient that he didn&#8217;t need chemotherapy for his treatable cancer because the doctor wanted to sell him sugar pills that he deliberately falsely told the patient would cure his cancer.  I think even the doctors here would agree that should be actionable.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/06/why-are-there-not-more-malpractice.html#comment-64326</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 23:36:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/06/why-are-there-not-more-malpractice-suits-against-lawyers.html#comment-64326</guid> <description>I don&#039;t understand how you can judge the performance of a multi day legal case based on a post on this site anymore than you can judge a physician from reading a newspaper report of a surgery.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And I&#039;d guess you don&#039;t understand the standard for legal malpractice.  After all, most physicians don&#039;t even know the standard for medical malpractice.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Do you?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand how you can judge the performance of a multi day legal case based on a post on this site anymore than you can judge a physician from reading a newspaper report of a surgery.</p><p>And I&#8217;d guess you don&#8217;t understand the standard for legal malpractice.  After all, most physicians don&#8217;t even know the standard for medical malpractice.</p><p>Do you?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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