<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: ATLA: &quot;There is no healthcare crisis&quot;</title> <atom:link href="http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/06/atla-there-is-no-healthcare-crisis.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/06/atla-there-is-no-healthcare-crisis.html</link> <description></description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:56:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/06/atla-there-is-no-healthcare-crisis.html#comment-64634</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 22:33:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/06/atla-there-is-no-healthcare-crisis.html#comment-64634</guid> <description>Are you kidding me? &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Why do we think he sounds like a moron? See Anon 7:03. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Why do we think his message was wrong? Because he speaks his opinions as though they are truths. In fact, he didn&#039;t even fess up to lacking any studies or data regarding his claim that &quot;juries are rather frugal with their non-economic payouts&quot; until the interviewer pushed him to back that up. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;No one is disputing the factual basis of his claims that there are more ob/gyns (nominally anyway) or that they are disporportionately distributed geographically. If you would bother to read back, you&#039;d see that Anon 10:54 and Anon 9:39 have addressed that specifically. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;No one has even tried to argue that lifestyle considerations don&#039;t play a part in where doctors choose to practice. But this guy makes the leap to saying that malpractice premiums have nothing to do with one&#039;s decision not to perform high-risk procedures, rural or urban (a laughable stance-why else would they choose not to do them?). &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;How do you argue against someone&#039;e opinion or anecdotal experience? I can&#039;t PROVE that his opinions are wrong (even if I think they are ill-informed), and I can&#039;t PROVE what he has or hasn&#039;t seen in his personal experiences.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you kidding me?</p><p>Why do we think he sounds like a moron? See Anon 7:03.</p><p>Why do we think his message was wrong? Because he speaks his opinions as though they are truths. In fact, he didn&#8217;t even fess up to lacking any studies or data regarding his claim that &#8220;juries are rather frugal with their non-economic payouts&#8221; until the interviewer pushed him to back that up.</p><p>No one is disputing the factual basis of his claims that there are more ob/gyns (nominally anyway) or that they are disporportionately distributed geographically. If you would bother to read back, you&#8217;d see that Anon 10:54 and Anon 9:39 have addressed that specifically.</p><p>No one has even tried to argue that lifestyle considerations don&#8217;t play a part in where doctors choose to practice. But this guy makes the leap to saying that malpractice premiums have nothing to do with one&#8217;s decision not to perform high-risk procedures, rural or urban (a laughable stance-why else would they choose not to do them?).</p><p>How do you argue against someone&#8217;e opinion or anecdotal experience? I can&#8217;t PROVE that his opinions are wrong (even if I think they are ill-informed), and I can&#8217;t PROVE what he has or hasn&#8217;t seen in his personal experiences.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/06/atla-there-is-no-healthcare-crisis.html#comment-64621</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 15:20:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/06/atla-there-is-no-healthcare-crisis.html#comment-64621</guid> <description>How about you show me what he says was false?  The evidence produced by YOUR lobbying organization proves him correct.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Do you have any FACTS showing otherwise?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about you show me what he says was false?  The evidence produced by YOUR lobbying organization proves him correct.</p><p>Do you have any FACTS showing otherwise?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/06/atla-there-is-no-healthcare-crisis.html#comment-64617</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 15:09:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/06/atla-there-is-no-healthcare-crisis.html#comment-64617</guid> <description>&quot;Everything he says is true&quot;&lt;br/&gt;Why because you said so? He stated it was his opinion. Are you going to quote this as mantra without support just because you agree with what he says. Good luck in a court with that arguement counsler.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Everything he says is true&#8221;<br />Why because you said so? He stated it was his opinion. Are you going to quote this as mantra without support just because you agree with what he says. Good luck in a court with that arguement counsler.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/06/atla-there-is-no-healthcare-crisis.html#comment-64613</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 14:50:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/06/atla-there-is-no-healthcare-crisis.html#comment-64613</guid> <description>&quot;That source was not cited in the text that we are all reading, so I&#039;m not sure why you expected everyone to know about it.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Most interviews don&#039;t come with footnotes.  A simple Google search turned it up.  When physicians make claims about the law, do you automatically believe them, or do you require footnotes?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;Its the rest of the article (which he even admits are his opinions and based on nothing more than his own anecdotal experiences) that people disagree with.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;On what basis?  Do you disagree that healthcare is better in urban areas generally?  Or that more people, including physicians, want to live in cities or nice suburbs?  What is there to dispute about that?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;This guy isn&#039;t just some lawyer on the street, he is the freakin&#039; president of the ATLA, and his arguments come across as downright idiotic.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In what way?  Everything he says is true.  Is the truth idiotic simply because you don&#039;t like the speaker?  So far, you have been unable to disprove a thing he said, so who is the idiot?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That source was not cited in the text that we are all reading, so I&#8217;m not sure why you expected everyone to know about it.&#8221;</p><p>Most interviews don&#8217;t come with footnotes.  A simple Google search turned it up.  When physicians make claims about the law, do you automatically believe them, or do you require footnotes?</p><p>&#8220;Its the rest of the article (which he even admits are his opinions and based on nothing more than his own anecdotal experiences) that people disagree with.&#8221;</p><p>On what basis?  Do you disagree that healthcare is better in urban areas generally?  Or that more people, including physicians, want to live in cities or nice suburbs?  What is there to dispute about that?</p><p>&#8220;This guy isn&#8217;t just some lawyer on the street, he is the freakin&#8217; president of the ATLA, and his arguments come across as downright idiotic.&#8221;</p><p>In what way?  Everything he says is true.  Is the truth idiotic simply because you don&#8217;t like the speaker?  So far, you have been unable to disprove a thing he said, so who is the idiot?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/06/atla-there-is-no-healthcare-crisis.html#comment-64610</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 13:39:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/06/atla-there-is-no-healthcare-crisis.html#comment-64610</guid> <description>That source was not cited in the text that we are all reading, so I&#039;m not sure why you expected everyone to know about it.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Anyhow, it appears that the report referenced is related to physician distributions and was most likely the basis for his claim that there are 25% more ob/gyns now that in 1990 (which no one here has denied) or that there are proportionately fewer ob/gyn&#039;s in rural areas (which, again, no one here has denied).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Its the rest of the article (which he even admits are his opinions and based on nothing more than his own anecdotal experiences) that people disagree with.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As for shooting the messenger... yeah, that&#039;s the whole point. See the very first post. This guy isn&#039;t just some lawyer on the street, he is the freakin&#039; president of the ATLA, and his arguments come across as downright idiotic. He is making himself and his entire profession look like morons who can&#039;t form basic logical axioms, which does indeed weaken the message.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That source was not cited in the text that we are all reading, so I&#8217;m not sure why you expected everyone to know about it.</p><p>Anyhow, it appears that the report referenced is related to physician distributions and was most likely the basis for his claim that there are 25% more ob/gyns now that in 1990 (which no one here has denied) or that there are proportionately fewer ob/gyn&#8217;s in rural areas (which, again, no one here has denied).</p><p>Its the rest of the article (which he even admits are his opinions and based on nothing more than his own anecdotal experiences) that people disagree with.</p><p>As for shooting the messenger&#8230; yeah, that&#8217;s the whole point. See the very first post. This guy isn&#8217;t just some lawyer on the street, he is the freakin&#8217; president of the ATLA, and his arguments come across as downright idiotic. He is making himself and his entire profession look like morons who can&#8217;t form basic logical axioms, which does indeed weaken the message.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/06/atla-there-is-no-healthcare-crisis.html#comment-64598</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 04:01:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/06/atla-there-is-no-healthcare-crisis.html#comment-64598</guid> <description>In fact, he did, in the original ATLA press release, it was footnoted to this source:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;[14] “Physician Characteristics and Distribution in the U.S.,” American Medical Association, 2006 edition, p.133;&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That&#039;s gotta hurt, considering it comes from your own lobbying organization.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Your turn to back it up.  Or pipe down until you can.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fact, he did, in the original ATLA press release, it was footnoted to this source:</p><p>&#8220;[14] “Physician Characteristics and Distribution in the U.S.,” American Medical Association, 2006 edition, p.133;&#8221;</p><p>That&#8217;s gotta hurt, considering it comes from your own lobbying organization.</p><p>Your turn to back it up.  Or pipe down until you can.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/06/atla-there-is-no-healthcare-crisis.html#comment-64594</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 02:54:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/06/atla-there-is-no-healthcare-crisis.html#comment-64594</guid> <description>&quot;you&#039;re just shooting the messenger&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Ahh hello...this messenger didn&#039;t back up his arguement.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;you&#8217;re just shooting the messenger&#8221;</p><p>Ahh hello&#8230;this messenger didn&#8217;t back up his arguement.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/06/atla-there-is-no-healthcare-crisis.html#comment-64584</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 01 Jul 2006 23:03:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/06/atla-there-is-no-healthcare-crisis.html#comment-64584</guid> <description>I think he&#039;s wrong. Can I reference any studies? Have I studied it personally? No. But this is America, and everyone studies everything, so I&#039;m sure someone else has studied it at some point, and so therefore what I posit must be right.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think he&#8217;s wrong. Can I reference any studies? Have I studied it personally? No. But this is America, and everyone studies everything, so I&#8217;m sure someone else has studied it at some point, and so therefore what I posit must be right.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/06/atla-there-is-no-healthcare-crisis.html#comment-64581</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 01 Jul 2006 22:53:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/06/atla-there-is-no-healthcare-crisis.html#comment-64581</guid> <description>Let&#039;s see you want me to waste my time on someone who (with one exception) cannot back up anything he has to say to suit YOUR academic arguement.&lt;br/&gt;Thanks but no thanks I am too busy being a doc. I am going to work right,now enjoy your holiday weekend off counsler.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see you want me to waste my time on someone who (with one exception) cannot back up anything he has to say to suit YOUR academic arguement.<br />Thanks but no thanks I am too busy being a doc. I am going to work right,now enjoy your holiday weekend off counsler.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/06/atla-there-is-no-healthcare-crisis.html#comment-64571</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 01 Jul 2006 19:48:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/06/atla-there-is-no-healthcare-crisis.html#comment-64571</guid> <description>You&#039;re all attacking the man personally, but so far not one of you can do anything other than shoot the messenger.  If he&#039;s wrong, let&#039;s see it.  It&#039;s your claim that he is.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Are you actually disagreeing with the premise that rural areas have always struggled with retaining physicians or that for the most part one can find better care in urban areas?  Regardless of malpractice premiums?  It&#039;s not like a lack of rural physicians is a new phenomenon.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So, can anyone prove him wrong?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;*crickets chirping*</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re all attacking the man personally, but so far not one of you can do anything other than shoot the messenger.  If he&#8217;s wrong, let&#8217;s see it.  It&#8217;s your claim that he is.</p><p>Are you actually disagreeing with the premise that rural areas have always struggled with retaining physicians or that for the most part one can find better care in urban areas?  Regardless of malpractice premiums?  It&#8217;s not like a lack of rural physicians is a new phenomenon.</p><p>So, can anyone prove him wrong?</p><p>*crickets chirping*</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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