<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: The Starbucks model for urgent and primary care</title> <atom:link href="http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/05/starbucks-model-for-urgent-and-primary.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/05/starbucks-model-for-urgent-and-primary.html</link> <description></description> <lastBuildDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:27:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/05/starbucks-model-for-urgent-and-primary.html#comment-63028</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 15 May 2006 01:47:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/05/the-starbucks-model-for-urgent-and-primary-care.html#comment-63028</guid> <description>These big chains don&#039;t understand the liability of treating you assholes, but they will soon enough...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These big chains don&#8217;t understand the liability of treating you assholes, but they will soon enough&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/05/starbucks-model-for-urgent-and-primary.html#comment-63020</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 22:45:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/05/the-starbucks-model-for-urgent-and-primary-care.html#comment-63020</guid> <description>I am a PCP and I believe this clinics are a good thing, as long as they lower the burden of the ER. The problem is that many people go to ER simply because they don&#039;t or can&#039;t pay even the 35$. Think only about the large medicaid population : will they pay 35$ for these clinics or still jam the ER for a cough or a sore throat ?&lt;br/&gt;And again, the malpractice situation will engulf them, sooner rather than later and the big stores will become the big pockets. &lt;br/&gt;I see my patients the same day they call and don&#039;t feel that these clinics are a competition for what I do, at least not in the long run.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a PCP and I believe this clinics are a good thing, as long as they lower the burden of the ER. The problem is that many people go to ER simply because they don&#8217;t or can&#8217;t pay even the 35$. Think only about the large medicaid population : will they pay 35$ for these clinics or still jam the ER for a cough or a sore throat ?<br />And again, the malpractice situation will engulf them, sooner rather than later and the big stores will become the big pockets. <br />I see my patients the same day they call and don&#8217;t feel that these clinics are a competition for what I do, at least not in the long run.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/05/starbucks-model-for-urgent-and-primary.html#comment-63018</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 21:38:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/05/the-starbucks-model-for-urgent-and-primary-care.html#comment-63018</guid> <description>I&#039;m one of the lazy greedy primary care doctors.  I leave slots open each day and 95% of the time can see people the 1/2 day that they call.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In my humble opinion, 25% of cases that seem &quot;straightforward&quot; are anything but.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Examples from this week:&lt;br/&gt;1) Woman with throat pain and a normal exam on remicaide for IBD.  I know of no official recommendations for this disorder, but the last NEJM article on pharyngitis would advise against treating her.  Since I know what an anti-TNF agent is, I felt obligated to give her Pen VK. This is outside the bounds of algorithm care.&lt;br/&gt;2) 24 y/o woman with recurrent cough.  Had received antibiotics last week at a walk in clinic with little to no relief.  Problem was actually asthma, which required a completely different set of tools and mindset.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The point of my rambling is that the general public has trouble distinguishing between convenience and charismatic staff and quality.  Eventually something will be missed and the parent of a dead child or the widow of a dead man will sue.  If medicine now is a free for all, let all play by the same rules.  Given the frequency of ridiculous suits filed in my neighborhood, I doubt we will have this &quot;competition&quot; very long. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;(and i will have it only for the next year, as I have decided to end my matrydom and go back to fellowship)&lt;br/&gt;b</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m one of the lazy greedy primary care doctors.  I leave slots open each day and 95% of the time can see people the 1/2 day that they call.</p><p>In my humble opinion, 25% of cases that seem &#8220;straightforward&#8221; are anything but.</p><p>Examples from this week:<br />1) Woman with throat pain and a normal exam on remicaide for IBD.  I know of no official recommendations for this disorder, but the last NEJM article on pharyngitis would advise against treating her.  Since I know what an anti-TNF agent is, I felt obligated to give her Pen VK. This is outside the bounds of algorithm care.<br />2) 24 y/o woman with recurrent cough.  Had received antibiotics last week at a walk in clinic with little to no relief.  Problem was actually asthma, which required a completely different set of tools and mindset.</p><p>The point of my rambling is that the general public has trouble distinguishing between convenience and charismatic staff and quality.  Eventually something will be missed and the parent of a dead child or the widow of a dead man will sue.  If medicine now is a free for all, let all play by the same rules.  Given the frequency of ridiculous suits filed in my neighborhood, I doubt we will have this &#8220;competition&#8221; very long.</p><p>(and i will have it only for the next year, as I have decided to end my matrydom and go back to fellowship)<br />b</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/05/starbucks-model-for-urgent-and-primary.html#comment-63011</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 15:31:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/05/the-starbucks-model-for-urgent-and-primary-care.html#comment-63011</guid> <description>&quot;If the primary care physicians in the U.S. provided reasonably prompt service at a reasonable price there would be no need for the &quot;Starbucks model&quot; in health care&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;GTL:&lt;br/&gt;Reasonable price? Please do have a clue what you are talking about before you pontificate. Most insured americans spend less on copay than 30$ for a flu vaccine and 45$ for an otitis infection when they see their doctor that&#039;s the fact. Another fact is that reimbursement is stagnant in this country,cost of practice are not. PCP&#039;s do not have the luxery in this quasisocalized reimbursment system to charge what they want (unlike you). Please do save the tired argument that we can just &quot;opt out&quot; of the present reimbursment system. Unless you do elective procedures or have a boutique practice that is just not an option. So, how do PCP&#039;S manage? They see more and more patient&#039;s.They are like rats on a spinning wheel faster and faster. Ask them if they like the current system... I can assure you the answer will be no. The result can be waits. Trust me the dr&#039;s don&#039;t like the current system anymore than the patients. Unfortunately I see PCP&#039;s as a dying field of medicine which is sad. The medical student&#039;s already know it..people aren&#039;t going into family medicine. I don&#039;t doubt well trained nurse pracs can do preventative health. But part of preventative health is knowing your patient&#039;s (granted the express system of PCP&#039;s offices is not ideal for that). Do you really think these essentially &quot;urgent cares&quot; will know their patient&#039;s? Additionally, though NP&#039;s can take care of straighforward issues, should a patient with diabetes, coronary heart disease, renal failure, and CHF be going to these &quot;minute clinics&quot;? Maybe this is the wave of the future, but will it be best for complicated patients (which there are more of everyday)?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;From the article:&lt;br/&gt;&quot;Mr. Case says his epiphany came a few years ago when he took his young daughter to an emergency room on a Sunday for an ear infection. &quot;We waited four hours and they just weren&#039;t able to see us&quot;&lt;br/&gt;What part of &quot;emergency&quot; room is Mr. Case unclear about? ER&#039;s work by the triage system and otitis comes after MI&#039;s,codes, resp distress, etc etc. Did Mr. Case go to his daughter&#039;s PCP or an urgent care? no. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Though I have little doubt these &quot;minute clinics&quot; have a place especially with our level of uninsured, I don&#039;t think they should take the place of a PCP who knows the patient. That stated given the present reimbursment rates and PCP &quot;burnout&quot; I suspect family medicine will be dying out in the next 10-15 years. This will be replaced by NP&#039;s which is OK for straight forward issues but not the complicated patient&#039;s. A 2 year NP degree is not the same thing as 7 years of training that PCP&#039;s have.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If the primary care physicians in the U.S. provided reasonably prompt service at a reasonable price there would be no need for the &#8220;Starbucks model&#8221; in health care&#8221;</p><p>GTL:<br />Reasonable price? Please do have a clue what you are talking about before you pontificate. Most insured americans spend less on copay than 30$ for a flu vaccine and 45$ for an otitis infection when they see their doctor that&#8217;s the fact. Another fact is that reimbursement is stagnant in this country,cost of practice are not. PCP&#8217;s do not have the luxery in this quasisocalized reimbursment system to charge what they want (unlike you). Please do save the tired argument that we can just &#8220;opt out&#8221; of the present reimbursment system. Unless you do elective procedures or have a boutique practice that is just not an option. So, how do PCP&#8217;S manage? They see more and more patient&#8217;s.They are like rats on a spinning wheel faster and faster. Ask them if they like the current system&#8230; I can assure you the answer will be no. The result can be waits. Trust me the dr&#8217;s don&#8217;t like the current system anymore than the patients. Unfortunately I see PCP&#8217;s as a dying field of medicine which is sad. The medical student&#8217;s already know it..people aren&#8217;t going into family medicine. I don&#8217;t doubt well trained nurse pracs can do preventative health. But part of preventative health is knowing your patient&#8217;s (granted the express system of PCP&#8217;s offices is not ideal for that). Do you really think these essentially &#8220;urgent cares&#8221; will know their patient&#8217;s? Additionally, though NP&#8217;s can take care of straighforward issues, should a patient with diabetes, coronary heart disease, renal failure, and CHF be going to these &#8220;minute clinics&#8221;? Maybe this is the wave of the future, but will it be best for complicated patients (which there are more of everyday)?</p><p>From the article:<br />&#8220;Mr. Case says his epiphany came a few years ago when he took his young daughter to an emergency room on a Sunday for an ear infection. &#8220;We waited four hours and they just weren&#8217;t able to see us&#8221;<br />What part of &#8220;emergency&#8221; room is Mr. Case unclear about? ER&#8217;s work by the triage system and otitis comes after MI&#8217;s,codes, resp distress, etc etc. Did Mr. Case go to his daughter&#8217;s PCP or an urgent care? no.</p><p>Though I have little doubt these &#8220;minute clinics&#8221; have a place especially with our level of uninsured, I don&#8217;t think they should take the place of a PCP who knows the patient. That stated given the present reimbursment rates and PCP &#8220;burnout&#8221; I suspect family medicine will be dying out in the next 10-15 years. This will be replaced by NP&#8217;s which is OK for straight forward issues but not the complicated patient&#8217;s. A 2 year NP degree is not the same thing as 7 years of training that PCP&#8217;s have.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Greedy Trial Lawyer</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/05/starbucks-model-for-urgent-and-primary.html#comment-63010</link> <dc:creator>Greedy Trial Lawyer</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 13:49:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/05/the-starbucks-model-for-urgent-and-primary-care.html#comment-63010</guid> <description>If the primary care physicians in the U.S. provided reasonably prompt service at a reasonable price there would be no need for the &quot;Starbucks model&quot; in health care.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Maybe these new health care locations will actually provide a service for the disenfranchised, the uninsured, the tired-of-waiting and the indigent.  The facilities and staff may actually carry medical malpractice insurance with decent limits as well.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the primary care physicians in the U.S. provided reasonably prompt service at a reasonable price there would be no need for the &#8220;Starbucks model&#8221; in health care.</p><p>Maybe these new health care locations will actually provide a service for the disenfranchised, the uninsured, the tired-of-waiting and the indigent.  The facilities and staff may actually carry medical malpractice insurance with decent limits as well.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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