A different world – malpractice in Canada. Government subsidized malpractice premiums, loser pays . . . at a cost of capping doctor’s fees:

Bisson accepted the loss graciously. She had begun to mentally prepare herself for a trial, comforted by the thought she would one day find justice, when her lawyer called recently and said Wai-Ping was asking her for $32,000 in legal costs.

“I couldn’t believe they were sending someone on disability a bill. This gets me so emotional because there is no way I can afford it. It’s going to stop my lawsuit in its tracks.”

The worst thing, she said, is losing to a doctor who is using public money to defeat her.

“He’s kicking me in the teeth and he’s doing it with my money,” she said.

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  • Samson Isberg

    Something is not right in the logic here. The would-be plaintiff says that whe’s being kick in the teeth “with my money”, i.e. the taxpayer’s money.

    But on the other hand she is clearly not a taxpayer , as she lives off her husband’s disability check, and as far as I know, that comes from the taxpayer too.

    So to sum up the battle between the ex-gynecologist and his ex-patient, it is the Canadian taxpayer’s money being spent either way, and the only winners here are the lawyers.

    Is it the way to run a country?

  • Anonymous

    But how many of us would take a 40% pay cut to have the Canadian malpractice system? I would do it in a second!

  • Liz

    Didn’t he surrender his license? Why is the disabled lady then claiming that her main concern is “making sure he never practices again”? At least be honest about that fact that you’re after money. As far as the “with my money” – isn’t the doctor a taxpayer too? In fact, I’m quite certain he pays more taxes than her. If anything its “his money.”

    I won’t dispute that this doctor was probably incompetent and guilty of malpractice, but I have to wonder about the type of people who live off the government dole because they have a “learning disability.” They don’t even mention why she herself isn’t working- does early menopause count as a disability?

  • Anonymous

    The same thing would happen in the US with socialized medicine.

  • Michael Rack, MD

    “I have to wonder about the type of people who live off the government dole because they have a “learning disability.””
    In Great Britain “learning disability” is a term for mental retardation. I am not sure if the term is used this way in Canada.

  • Anonymous

    That is a country that really knows how to put litigious patients in their place…no sympathy here…

  • Flea

    I have to have a good cry reading her story. Boo hoo. There, I feel better.

    best,

    Flea

  • Anonymous

    “That is a country that really knows how to put litigious patients in their place…no sympathy here…”

    Physicians too, evidently.

  • Anonymous

    I really don’t understand the arrogance of you doctor’s. Did you miss some of the most important information in this article?

    If your wife went to the Dr. and was told she needed to have a hysterectomy, because of cancer or cancer cells, and was later determined she did not need to have one. Would you feel differently about it?…

    Also what type hysterectomy did she have. Was it a total, complete or God forbid, did he do a Radical on her?

    Do most of you even know what is involved with a radical hysterectomy? I can guarantee that if it were your wives and some lunatic surgeon did a needless radical on her you would be p***** beyond belief.

    Women get atonic bladders and bowels from radical hysterectomies. Some of them NEVER recover because the damage has been so great to the nerves. A good payoff for a cancer cure, completely asinine if it was a bad diagnosis. Do you want you wife sticking a 6in tube into her bladder every 4 hrs. indefinitely because of some ass surgeons incompetence?

    Dr. Flea you might well be BOO HOOING for REAl if this guy had gotten ahold of your wife. Or better yet, maybe a bunch of Drs. on a BLOG could be making fun of you and her.

  • Anonymous

    We would never let this happen to our relatives…we only let it happen to you jokers…

  • Anonymous

    Anon 11:02 – Most of these anonymous physicians live in perpetual fear of lawyers because they know just how poor they are at their jobs and they know that lawyers will be the ones holding them accountable.

    Don’t let them anger you. If anything, they should be pitied. They are shells of men.

  • Anonymous

    Just one more thing. If your wives ever come in contact with a disgusting creep like this Dr. And, he decides she needs a Radical for cancer thats not there. I hope you aren’t very well endowed!

    You do realize that radicals take part of the vagina? Atleast 1/3 is taken during a radical. Still think these women have no claims to be mad?

    What if we take 1/3 of your penis off just because we felt like it?

    Thank you anon 11:02.:)…I know these guys represent the worst of the medical profession but they just struck a nerve with this one..

  • Anonymous

    Anonymous 12:10: I’m sorry you will never have sex again unless you pay for it. But is this the fault of the entire medical profession? If your grandchild decides to become a doctor does s/he automatically become a murderous incompetent boob? Why don’t you just get over it, get yourself a bastard for an attorney, and sue another OB-GYN out of the profession? Maybe you can take your winnings and get a better class of poontang to drown your sorrows in.

  • Anonymous

    You are absolutely unbelievabale…I didn’t have a Radical and I get plenty of sex. (Don’t worry, if your wife has one you will also get plenty of sex, I doubt that you qualify as “over-endowed”) But,I do know what is involved with these surgeries.

    You have no compassion for any of your patients or patients in general.

    You are so obsessed with lawsuits and paranoia, that you can’t even practice medicine without it ruling you.

    You know engineers (for instance) make really good money. Maybe you shoud change professions. It has to be tremendous stress, when you have reached the point, that you honestly believe every patient is out to get you. Is the money so very good that it is worth it?

  • Anonymous

    this thread has really degenerated may I suggest that Kevin close it.

  • Anonymous

    Why has it degenerated? Do you think saying it like it is ,is cause for a thread to be closed?…It’s ok for some of the Docs. to talk about how they hate patients and how patients sue for absolutely NO REASON.

    But then someone comes along and adds some info that the medical guys don’t want everyone to hear so the thread needs to be closed?

    You go cutting on people for cancer that isn’t there and you somehow justify it by blaming patients? Like it’s a big freaking joke of some kind. Give me a break.

  • Anonymous

    “You go cutting on people for cancer that isn’t there and you somehow justify it by blaming patients? “

    You really should get some psychiatric help. You’re on a Weblog. Most of the people who write here aren’t even in medicine. I may be a high school student. But you’re accusing a bunch of anonymous webloggers as performing surgery “for cancer that isn’t there”. Are you hearing voices too? Is the TV talking about you?

  • Anonymous

    I think you might also benefit from a shrink…This is a Physicians weblog.. And, the topic, if you read it is certainly about a Dr. who operated on women for cancer who did not have cancer.

  • Anonymous

    But you reply that ALL doctors cut on people who don’t have cancer…99% of docs aren’t even surgeons…especially the docs who have time to write on this weblog.

  • Samson Isberg

    Why stop this thread now? Masks are falling, attitudes are revealed, and the truth shall set ye free.

    As far as I read the article, the Dr. in question is now de-licenced. Apparently (as I can surmise from the article) he is an incompetent fool with a personality disorder. There are such doctors, I personally know about some (I try to keep my distance, but it’s not always possible).

    But a serious question: Why are these people let through med school? When I was a student we waited and watched the psycho’s among us at every exam, muttering to ourselves “they’ve got to stop him now”, or “Now’s the time to send him out of here”, but it never happened.

    Once, a professor gave the student a polite advice that he “was not fit being a doctor” (which he certainly wasn’t) but “I can’t flunk you because of that”.

    Of, but he should have. Could have saved a lot of misery.

    So instead of creating this sort of unappetizing litigation post facto, why not do the effort, be pro-active and keep the psychopaths out of medical school in the first place?

  • Anonymous

    Do Canadians have any say over which doctors treat them? This guy obviously has a long history of problems, and it’s surprising to me that people don’t do a little background research before having surgery. Before I let anybody cut on me I would find out a little bit about their reputation.

  • Anonymous

    Samson and anon at 2:56 – yours are probably most reasonable posts in here. The only question I have is in your first post you interpreted the would-be plaintiff being kicked in the teeth “with my money” meant to be the taxpayer’s money. The way I understood the article is that she was asked to pay “doctor’s” legal bills from her own pocket – which didn’t make much sense since the guy was clearly incompetent; it didn’t mention her using taxpayer’s money for that. Also, this wasn’t a case of a simple misdiagnosis of cancer because of honest mistake or a close call – in fact I don’t remember cancer mentioned at all in the article. For all we know he did hysterectomy for fibroids or something else.

    I think what makes most patients here angry is that even though this was clearly a case of real malpractice, most doctors who post here sided with the doctor and attack the woman. In spite of the fact that he has a history of problems, that he mistook the cyst for an ovary, etc. So she is angry – wouldn’t your wife be? And if you are angry and bitter, you want to punish the guy. Maybe going after taxpayer’s money is not the way to do it, but since killing the guy is not a good idea and count of Monte-Kristo type of revenge is not practical…

    I also have to mention that most people don’t understand how devastating premature ovarian failure is. Aside from the obvious emotional distress of loosing fertility (we don’t know if she wanted a child), feeling old before your time,etc., you are experiencing same problems women start experiencing at 50 much earlier. Menopausal symptoms are incomparably more severe at a younger age, the risk of osteoporosis is very high even with HRT (look up POF on the NIH web site since you are so clueless – they say over 2/3 of women with POF get osteoporosis even with HRT), your risk of heart desease is much higher, you go on HRT for 20-30 years. There are 31-year olds who already have osteoporosis and arthritis. It is not a minor thing.

  • Anonymous

    “The way I understood the article is that she was asked to pay “doctor’s” legal bills from her own pocket – which didn’t make much sense since the guy was clearly incompetent;”

    The court system in this country is winner take all; OJ was found innocent so he didn’t do it….This woman lost the case, so according to the court, this doctor did nothing wrong…if you are going to live by the “WInner Take All” lottery system, you need to die by it, so she should pay for her losses. I personally don’t agree at all with this system, but alot of Doctor’s have their careers ruined by unfair Judicial outcomes, why should it be different when the Court decides in the Defendant’s favor?

  • Anonymous

    What’s it like to be wrong with every post?

    The civil court system in this country is not winner take all.

    How many doctors have been “ruined” by judgments? Seems like most just change states and let the physicians’ wall of silence protect them.

  • Anonymous

    This woman lost the case, so according to the court, this doctor did nothing wrong
    But did she really loose the case? I didn’t get it at all from the article, it appeared that the case was still pending she just filed too late to settle. This is the reason it didn’t make sense to me -if she had lost in court I’d understand.

  • Anonymous

    anon 11.19

    re: “How many doctors have been “ruined” by judgments? Seems like most just change states and let the physicians’ wall of silence protect them”

    What’s it like to have no clue as to what you are talking about?

    Have you ever even been to your state board’s website to look up doctor’s? Tell you what why don’t you go to MY state’s website (Arizona) http://www.azmd.gov. On the website includes education, board certification, number of malpractice suits and open investigations. Also, board actions including PDF files explaining exactly what happened and the sanction. This INCLUDES actions against doctor’s in other states who happen to have a license in Arizona also. Please look at it. Now that really sounds like a “wall of silence”. You are really clueless pal.

  • Anonymous

    And again, how many physicians have been “ruined” by judgments? Back the claim up.

    As for the wall of silence, how is it that these physicians with multiple judgments keep getting employed? Good to hear about Arizona – too bad it’s not national.

  • Anonymous

    The only “wall of silence” is the amount of money the more conniving son-of-a-bitch type attorneys take as a percentage of the winnings in a lawsuit. If you guys are “getting me the money I deserve” as you say on TV, how come some of you then go ahead and sue your own clients to get a bigger cut of the pie? Isn’t 30-40% enough? You need more”? If we need to debate physicians with multiple judgements….don’t worry about it…docs are getting smarter…only complete idiots are going into the sodomized professions where multi judgements are likely…Ob_Gyn, Neurosurgery….Pretty soon, hopefully you’ll have nobody left to sue, nobody to deliver your babies, nobody to put a drain in if your brain is bleeding. I work in a Level one trauma center and half the time we can’t accept neurosurgery patients becuase you a-holes have scared so many out of the profession. Thanks Sodomites.

  • Anonymous

    “only complete idiots are going into the sodomized professions where multi judgements are likely…Ob_Gyn, Neurosurgery….”

    Seriously, are you ever correct? Check out the 3/17 post: http://www.cut-to-cure.blogspot.com/

    ” I work in a Level one trauma center and half the time we can’t accept neurosurgery patients becuase you a-holes have scared so many out of the profession.”

    You’re such a cowardly little fella.

  • Anonymous

    I can’t believe i’m arguing with a bunch of gutter dwellers about who chose the gutter profession. It’s noon. Didn’t some fat guy slip on the “wet spot” at Mickey D’s last night and now you have a big lawsuit to file?

  • Anonymous

    “OB/GYN offered 1154 positions, up from 1144 last year. 1130 were filled (98%), up from the 97.4% last year. If the number of positions remained static, the fill percentage would have been 98.8 percent. 835 (73.9%) were filled by US grads.”

    73.9 % filled by US grads. Used to be nearly 100%. They still found 835 people stupid and willing enough to put a bullseye on their back and be flagellated by you sodomites. But the “gap” has been filled by the foreigners. Which is great for the sodomites. No jury in hell will ever side with a foreigner when the lawyer and his concubine is an american.

  • Anonymous

    “No jury in hell will ever side with a foreigner when the lawyer and his concubine is an american.”

    So you think the jury is always 100% white and born in the USA. Where have you been this past 20 years Dr. Hannibal Lectern?

  • Anonymous

    “73.9 % filled by US grads. Used to be nearly 100%. They still found 835 people stupid and willing enough to put a bullseye on their back and be flagellated by you sodomites. But the “gap” has been filled by the foreigners. Which is great for the sodomites. No jury in hell will ever side with a foreigner when the lawyer and his concubine is an american.”

    Sounds like med schools aren’t producing enough students overall, then doesn’t it? But hey, with your excellent diagnostic skills you’ve probably got it all figured out.

  • Anonymous

    “I can’t believe i’m arguing with a bunch of gutter dwellers about who chose the gutter profession. “

    What’s even more amazing is that you keep losing the argument and still come back for more.

  • Anonymous

    Now you’re a judge and a sodomite? How did you decide I lost the argument? I can’t believe how well I do against you guys when this is what you do for a living. But then again even the lowly sodomites have to have a bottom of the class.

  • Anonymous

    How well you do? For all that is Holy, you get beat up every time.

    The only thing you are good at is name calling. You have no clue how to fight a fight too win. You fight to intimidate, but that only works on people that can be. Do you think you can intimidate an Attorney?

  • Anonymous

    A grade school teacher was asking students what their parents did for a living.
    “Tim, you be first,” she said. “What does your mother do all day?”
    Tim stood up and proudly said, “She’s a doctor.”
    “That’s wonderful. How about you, Amie?”
    Amie shyly stood up, scuffed her feet and said, “My father is a mailman.”
    “Thank you, Amie,” said the teacher. “What about your father, Billy?”
    Billy proudly stood up and announced, “My daddy plays piano in a whorehouse.”
    The teacher was aghast and promptly changed the subject to geography. Later that day she went to Billy’s house and rang the bell. Billy’s father answered the door. The teacher explained what his son had said and demanded an explanation.
    Billy’s father said, “I’m actually an attorney. How can I explain a thing like that to a seven-year-old?”

  • Anonymous

    The great thing about it is that all these asshole attroneys will eventually be under our care…and we’ll give them what’s coming to them. Oh, I know, you have a “great doctor” and the only doctors that suck are the ones that post on here…well guess what, let me let you in on a secret, all physicians want to put you through as much testing as possible…so get ready!

  • Anonymous

    “Well I don’t think that study has been done and you already know that.”

    Then stop making BS claims.

    ” That stated I know an excellent MD who left his practice for the VA (after 30yrs) due to two malpractice judgements and greatly increased associated malpractice rates. He could not afford the “tail” after the end of the year.”

    So after 30 years a guy slowed down his practice and this is your evidence of being ruined by a judgment? Because a guy still makes 6 figures, it’s just not as high? And he didn’t even have a judgment against him? If only we could all be so ruined.

    “My question to you is have you even looked up your state’s medical board and how it operates.”

    How it operates I don’t know – the website is down, so I don’t even know whether they post claims info.

    But the wall of silence doesn’t end there. Try and get a physician to testify against another physician even when they KNOW there is malpractice.

  • Anonymous

    Gee, anon 7:15, can you cite the peer-reviewed studies that PROVE how hesitant physicians are to testify against colleagues please?

  • Anonymous

    “But the wall of silence doesn’t end there. Try and get a physician to testify against another physician even when they KNOW there is malpractice.”

    Even the Jews had to deal with Kapos within their own who would stab them in the back and turn them in. I’m sure you can find some senile retired physicians to be accomplices in your Sodomite lottery system.

  • Anonymous

    “Then stop making BS claims”

    If you could read for comprehension you would realize this was YOUR statement not mine. My main issue was how you think doc’s go from one state to another committing malpractice without any paper trail whatsoever. You don’t know what you are talking about.

    Have you ever worked in a VA? No?
    Then I guess you have no clue as to what you are talking about….again…

    “How it operates I don’t know – the website is down, so I don’t even know whether they post claims info.

    But the wall of silence doesn’t end there. Try and get a physician to testify against another physician even when they KNOW there is malpractice.”

    Amazing. You claim the there is a doctor “wall of silence”, yet you haven’t even try to figure out how your state medical board works. Is this how you answer questions…..dahh I don’t know, I have my head up my ass. Please if you wan’t to have an educated discussion on the subject at least figure out HOW the system in your own state. Did you look up Az. Or is that too much work for you too. Jesus, at least become educated about a subject before you pontificate, otherwise you sound like an idiot.

  • Anonymous

    Hey, Dr Obsessed With Sodomy — please post your name and state so we can look you up and be sure to never ever to trust you with our medical care. Or are you just shilling for Kevin to amp up the traffic on this site? Whichever it is, you’re a sick puppy.

  • Anonymous

    “Please if you wan’t to have an educated discussion on the subject at least figure out HOW the system in your own state.”

    The system doesn’t work in my state – the website is down.

    I didn’t realize physicians had cornered the market on pontificating on things they know nothing about – my mistake.

    “Gee, anon 7:15, can you cite the peer-reviewed studies that PROVE how hesitant physicians are to testify against colleagues please?”

    I’m just going off the words of the physician commenters here. Are you guys lying?

    “If you could read for comprehension you would realize this was YOUR statement not mine. “

    Actually, if you were reading for comprehension, you’d know it was the claim of Anon 11:16. Do try and keep up.

    “Have you ever worked in a VA? No?
    Then I guess you have no clue as to what you are talking about….again…”

    Are you seriously trying to argue that every physician in a VA has reached the point where his/her career is ruined? What’s the average pay of a VA physician, by the way?

  • Anonymous

    “please post your name and state”

    way don’t you post your name…that way we all know not to give you pain meds the next time you have a knee replacement…doh!

  • Anonymous

    Okay, now YOU post your name and all states you are qualified to practice in, because I’d like to report you to the medical board for threatening to withhold medication out of sheer spite. Shame on you. Ever hear of ‘First do no harm’?

  • Anonymous

    “The system doesn’t work in my state – the website is down.”

    Do you know how to use a phonebook? It is easy to get in contact with your state’s medical board (during business hours)…if you bother. Excuse me but it is clear you are not interested in discussing this issue but rather trying to score “points”. Whether or not you know what you are talking about.
    goodbye.

  • Anonymous

    I am trying unsucessfully in Az to get gyn surgical help, being heavily billed and directed to psychologists,instead of the surgical help I need. Now I know why, after reading your comments. It’s true, slice and see happened in my case, looking for cancer when I just had an ovarian cyst. I also had the misfortune to have a doctor on call who went to another delivery instead of calling another doctor. I now have a repair that has fallen out and no doctor will put back,.It seems they can’t tell what he did!? I know my bowel and urinary system is pulling out of my body. I know the abdominal muscles are pulling apart and can’t support my body. When the bottom fell out, the abdominal muscles from slice and see started pulling apart. The doctors are united in not helping me, and writing reports that make things look fine, while I deteriorate. This also tells my family that I am fine. I had always respected the profession, I don’t know where to turn, but I know psychiatrists and medication are not solutions to a surgical problem. When surgeries fall out, who helps?

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