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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/04/attacks-on-fosamax-are-beginning-to.html/comment-page-2#comment-71931</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 16:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took Fosamax for 6 years and was just diagnosed with osteonecrosis in my jaw. I am in my mid 50s and other than taking Foxamax for osteoporosis, I never take drugs, smoke or drink. I now have exposed bones in my gums and face an uncertain future. I find it hard to believe that my situation is a &quot;one-in-a-million&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I took Fosamax for 6 years and was just diagnosed with osteonecrosis in my jaw. I am in my mid 50s and other than taking Foxamax for osteoporosis, I never take drugs, smoke or drink. I now have exposed bones in my gums and face an uncertain future. I find it hard to believe that my situation is a &#8220;one-in-a-million&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/04/attacks-on-fosamax-are-beginning-to.html/comment-page-1#comment-63104</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 16:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have AVN of both knees, presumed  to be a result of taking both IV and PO corticosteroids on several occasions for another condition.  A year ago, I had core decompression drilling to try to offset the pain in my knees.  I&#039;m not yet a candidate for replacement because of my age and the fact that my joints haven&#039;t yet started to collapse.  I&#039;m also on my feet for 8-12 hours a day, and the replacements may not last as long as they would in someone who isn&#039;t very active, so we&#039;re trying to hold off as long as possible.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;However, the same steroids also gave me osteopenia, but I&#039;m not being treated for it right now.  My internal med doc recently sent me to get a repeat DEXA scan to see where we&#039;re at now, and we had a lengthy chat about the bisphosphonates and AVN.  I told her that I understand the incidence of ON/AVN is rare with these meds, but it was also very unlikely that I would develop AVN in the way that I did from the steroids, too!  I was one of only 3 patients my orthopod (who specialises in AVN) has ever seen that had AVN in both knees and none in the hips.  So - just because a negative effect is rare doesn&#039;t do it for me....I&#039;ve fallen into the rare category on more than one occasion!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That being said, my int med doc told me that she understands the concern and feels it is legitimate, but that these cases were always around invasive dental procedures.  She said that if I were to have something of that nature done, she&#039;d have me stop the med a month before and a month after the procedure.  She said that sometimes dentists and oral surgeons look at her like she&#039;s nuts, but she would rather be safe than sorry.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have to say that I really appreciated that!!  AVN is a hard thing to live with at age 25.  I&#039;m just finishing up 5 months of physical therapy - round 2.  This time for severe back pain caused by the way I walk.  I can&#039;t even imagine having AVN of the jaw.  My orthopedic said I&#039;d always be at a higher risk than normal for getting AVN in other joints, particularly the hips and shoulders.  Since diagnosis almost 2 years ago, I&#039;ve only taken steroids 3 times - once an injection in my back, IV one time for an allergic reaction, and one taper for an autoimmune flare up.  I had to seriously weigh the benefits vs. risks for all 3 times, and I wasn&#039;t all that comfortable with it, but I knew it had to be done.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I like the tactic being used by my internal med doc in order to try to protect her patients from getting AVN by stopping the med around invasive dental procedures.  I don&#039;t think she does it based on fear of lawsuit - she does it because she cares about her patients and doesn&#039;t want to see them suffer further.  I really commend her for that - she&#039;s top notch.  Even though I understand that I would probably never get AVN of the jaw due to the nature of cases for people who did develop it, I still very much appreciate that she understood my concerns and had a solution.  Ultimately it would allow me to take the Fosamax if needed so that I didn&#039;t break a bone, but it still would decrease my risk of getting AVN of the jaw from it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have AVN of both knees, presumed  to be a result of taking both IV and PO corticosteroids on several occasions for another condition.  A year ago, I had core decompression drilling to try to offset the pain in my knees.  I&#8217;m not yet a candidate for replacement because of my age and the fact that my joints haven&#8217;t yet started to collapse.  I&#8217;m also on my feet for 8-12 hours a day, and the replacements may not last as long as they would in someone who isn&#8217;t very active, so we&#8217;re trying to hold off as long as possible.</p>
<p>However, the same steroids also gave me osteopenia, but I&#8217;m not being treated for it right now.  My internal med doc recently sent me to get a repeat DEXA scan to see where we&#8217;re at now, and we had a lengthy chat about the bisphosphonates and AVN.  I told her that I understand the incidence of ON/AVN is rare with these meds, but it was also very unlikely that I would develop AVN in the way that I did from the steroids, too!  I was one of only 3 patients my orthopod (who specialises in AVN) has ever seen that had AVN in both knees and none in the hips.  So &#8211; just because a negative effect is rare doesn&#8217;t do it for me&#8230;.I&#8217;ve fallen into the rare category on more than one occasion!</p>
<p>That being said, my int med doc told me that she understands the concern and feels it is legitimate, but that these cases were always around invasive dental procedures.  She said that if I were to have something of that nature done, she&#8217;d have me stop the med a month before and a month after the procedure.  She said that sometimes dentists and oral surgeons look at her like she&#8217;s nuts, but she would rather be safe than sorry.</p>
<p>I have to say that I really appreciated that!!  AVN is a hard thing to live with at age 25.  I&#8217;m just finishing up 5 months of physical therapy &#8211; round 2.  This time for severe back pain caused by the way I walk.  I can&#8217;t even imagine having AVN of the jaw.  My orthopedic said I&#8217;d always be at a higher risk than normal for getting AVN in other joints, particularly the hips and shoulders.  Since diagnosis almost 2 years ago, I&#8217;ve only taken steroids 3 times &#8211; once an injection in my back, IV one time for an allergic reaction, and one taper for an autoimmune flare up.  I had to seriously weigh the benefits vs. risks for all 3 times, and I wasn&#8217;t all that comfortable with it, but I knew it had to be done.</p>
<p>I like the tactic being used by my internal med doc in order to try to protect her patients from getting AVN by stopping the med around invasive dental procedures.  I don&#8217;t think she does it based on fear of lawsuit &#8211; she does it because she cares about her patients and doesn&#8217;t want to see them suffer further.  I really commend her for that &#8211; she&#8217;s top notch.  Even though I understand that I would probably never get AVN of the jaw due to the nature of cases for people who did develop it, I still very much appreciate that she understood my concerns and had a solution.  Ultimately it would allow me to take the Fosamax if needed so that I didn&#8217;t break a bone, but it still would decrease my risk of getting AVN of the jaw from it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/04/attacks-on-fosamax-are-beginning-to.html/comment-page-1#comment-62269</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 23:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Again, learn to read. Where in that quote do you see anything about their current employment status? Or are retired physicians not physicians?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So let us get it right there are NOT nearly one million practicing doctor&#039;s in this country. So I guess one million of us couldn&#039;t have been in the suit...period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Again, learn to read. Where in that quote do you see anything about their current employment status? Or are retired physicians not physicians?&#8221;</p>
<p>So let us get it right there are NOT nearly one million practicing doctor&#8217;s in this country. So I guess one million of us couldn&#8217;t have been in the suit&#8230;period.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/04/attacks-on-fosamax-are-beginning-to.html/comment-page-1#comment-62237</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A more analogous comparison would be to see what pecentage of the physician population has filed a medical malpractice suit against another provider in regards to treatment for themselves or family, compared to the percentage for the whole population. I&#039;ll admit I&#039;m too lazy to research it, but I&#039;d bet my life it is lower.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A more analogous comparison would be to see what pecentage of the physician population has filed a medical malpractice suit against another provider in regards to treatment for themselves or family, compared to the percentage for the whole population. I&#8217;ll admit I&#8217;m too lazy to research it, but I&#8217;d bet my life it is lower.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/04/attacks-on-fosamax-are-beginning-to.html/comment-page-1#comment-62236</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, most docs don&#039;t get sued over torts and breach of contract.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, most docs don&#8217;t get sued over torts and breach of contract.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/04/attacks-on-fosamax-are-beginning-to.html/comment-page-1#comment-62229</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, learn to read.  Where in that quote do you see anything about their current employment status?  Or are retired physicians not physicians?  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Here&#039;s another article, which specifically denotes active and retired:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://www.urologytimes.com/urologytimes/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=122608&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What&#039;s more, the original point remains.  Physicians, like most people, have no problem filing a lawsuit when it&#039;s them doing the filing and they have been wronged.  They believe people should be held responsible for their torts and breaches of contract.  Unless the physician is the one at fault, that is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, learn to read.  Where in that quote do you see anything about their current employment status?  Or are retired physicians not physicians?  </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s another article, which specifically denotes active and retired:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.urologytimes.com/urologytimes/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=122608" rel="nofollow">http://www.urologytimes.com/urologytimes/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=122608</a></p>
<p>What&#8217;s more, the original point remains.  Physicians, like most people, have no problem filing a lawsuit when it&#8217;s them doing the filing and they have been wronged.  They believe people should be held responsible for their torts and breaches of contract.  Unless the physician is the one at fault, that is.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/04/attacks-on-fosamax-are-beginning-to.html/comment-page-1#comment-62222</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your quote CJD:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;Yet what do they do when nearly a million of them want to sue health insurers? Why, file a class action of course. That must be evidence of how bad class actions are. Maybe all those physicians just wanted to enrich attorneys&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Quit the word games and nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your quote CJD:</p>
<p>&#8220;Yet what do they do when nearly a million of them want to sue health insurers? Why, file a class action of course. That must be evidence of how bad class actions are. Maybe all those physicians just wanted to enrich attorneys&#8221;</p>
<p>Quit the word games and nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/04/attacks-on-fosamax-are-beginning-to.html/comment-page-1#comment-62218</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The important point is that apparently some of you can&#039;t read, and if you&#039;re physicians, that&#039;s scary.  The only thing that has been stated is that 900,000 physicians signed up for a class action against health insurers for improper reimbursement.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;No one made any claim as to their retired or active status.  But hey, don&#039;t let the truth get in the way of your nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The important point is that apparently some of you can&#8217;t read, and if you&#8217;re physicians, that&#8217;s scary.  The only thing that has been stated is that 900,000 physicians signed up for a class action against health insurers for improper reimbursement.</p>
<p>No one made any claim as to their retired or active status.  But hey, don&#8217;t let the truth get in the way of your nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/04/attacks-on-fosamax-are-beginning-to.html/comment-page-1#comment-62199</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 03:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The important point is there ARE NOT close to a million practicing doc&#039;s in this country, but hey why let the truth get in the way of your agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The important point is there ARE NOT close to a million practicing doc&#8217;s in this country, but hey why let the truth get in the way of your agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/04/attacks-on-fosamax-are-beginning-to.html/comment-page-1#comment-62193</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 01:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What part of retired are you unclear on?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Seriously, can you read?  I never made a claim as to whether they were retired.  I simply said 900,000 physicians are members of this class.  That is correct. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As to how many there are, I don&#039;t know.  This figure comes in between both mine and Anonymous 7:39.  It appears they&#039;re a hard bunch to count.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/39/24/23</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What part of retired are you unclear on?&#8221;</p>
<p>Seriously, can you read?  I never made a claim as to whether they were retired.  I simply said 900,000 physicians are members of this class.  That is correct. </p>
<p>As to how many there are, I don&#8217;t know.  This figure comes in between both mine and Anonymous 7:39.  It appears they&#8217;re a hard bunch to count.</p>
<p><a href="http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/39/24/23" rel="nofollow">http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/39/24/23</a></p>
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