Comments on: http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/03/needle-in-haystack-indeed.html medical blog Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:59:44 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Anonymous http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/03/needle-in-haystack-indeed.html/comment-page-1#comment-60393 Anonymous Tue, 14 Mar 2006 20:11:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/03/20193.html#comment-60393 Railing about openness? What are you talking about?<br/><br/>Again, which state are you in? Railing about openness? What are you talking about?

Again, which state are you in?

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/03/needle-in-haystack-indeed.html/comment-page-1#comment-60384 Anonymous Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:48:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/03/20193.html#comment-60384 I am talking open relative openess of the system. You are the one always railing that medicine is not an open system and I am telling you I can get information in my state easier about a doctor than a lawyer. I am talking open relative openess of the system. You are the one always railing that medicine is not an open system and I am telling you I can get information in my state easier about a doctor than a lawyer.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/03/needle-in-haystack-indeed.html/comment-page-1#comment-60369 Anonymous Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:13:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/03/20193.html#comment-60369 "Now le's go to my state's bar website. By searching the lawyer you can get where they went to school and their area of interest. No comment's on malpractice suits or bar action's. If you dig around enough on the website you can find action's (by the year) but no explaination as to what happened or a PDF file. You tell me which system is more open?"<br/><br/>What state are you in?<br/><br/>Have you tried requesting the information? Or are you saying simply because it's not on the Internet then the lawyers are hiding something?<br/><br/>CJD “Now le’s go to my state’s bar website. By searching the lawyer you can get where they went to school and their area of interest. No comment’s on malpractice suits or bar action’s. If you dig around enough on the website you can find action’s (by the year) but no explaination as to what happened or a PDF file. You tell me which system is more open?”

What state are you in?

Have you tried requesting the information? Or are you saying simply because it’s not on the Internet then the lawyers are hiding something?

CJD

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/03/needle-in-haystack-indeed.html/comment-page-1#comment-60345 Anonymous Mon, 13 Mar 2006 23:53:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/03/20193.html#comment-60345 do lawyers get sued for malpractice? That sounds like one of my wet dreams...anyone know the statistics on that? i thought it was rare...so posting it on a web site wouldn't mean much. do lawyers get sued for malpractice? That sounds like one of my wet dreams…anyone know the statistics on that? i thought it was rare…so posting it on a web site wouldn’t mean much.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/03/needle-in-haystack-indeed.html/comment-page-1#comment-60342 Anonymous Mon, 13 Mar 2006 23:39:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/03/20193.html#comment-60342 "Even our malpractice reprimands, suspensions, etc are usually listed in the bar magazines, with a short explanation of the reasoning..."<br/><br/>Interesting CJD as I have pointed out before my state's medical board website is pretty open. You can look up a doc, where they went to school, residency, number of malpractice cases, open cases, and board actions (as it should be). In fact on the board action's there is a PDF file (open to the public) where you can see exactly what happened and the action/saction. Now le's go to my state's bar website. By searching the lawyer you can get where they went to school and their area of interest. No comment's on malpractice suits or bar action's. If you dig around enough on the website you can find action's (by the year) but no explaination as to what happened or a PDF file. You tell me which system is more open? “Even our malpractice reprimands, suspensions, etc are usually listed in the bar magazines, with a short explanation of the reasoning…”

Interesting CJD as I have pointed out before my state’s medical board website is pretty open. You can look up a doc, where they went to school, residency, number of malpractice cases, open cases, and board actions (as it should be). In fact on the board action’s there is a PDF file (open to the public) where you can see exactly what happened and the action/saction. Now le’s go to my state’s bar website. By searching the lawyer you can get where they went to school and their area of interest. No comment’s on malpractice suits or bar action’s. If you dig around enough on the website you can find action’s (by the year) but no explaination as to what happened or a PDF file. You tell me which system is more open?

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/03/needle-in-haystack-indeed.html/comment-page-1#comment-60322 Anonymous Mon, 13 Mar 2006 05:06:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/03/20193.html#comment-60322 Don't hate the player....hate the game...and the game is evil in this country...till we get the lawyers. Don’t hate the player….hate the game…and the game is evil in this country…till we get the lawyers.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/03/needle-in-haystack-indeed.html/comment-page-1#comment-60317 Anonymous Mon, 13 Mar 2006 03:15:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/03/20193.html#comment-60317 If I were one of the now infamous "32 physicians" I would stalk that med student during his/her entire career including internship/residency and write up every case where he screws up and submit them to JAMA, Annals of Internal Medicine, NEJM, Cell, whatever journal will print that crap... If I were one of the now infamous “32 physicians” I would stalk that med student during his/her entire career including internship/residency and write up every case where he screws up and submit them to JAMA, Annals of Internal Medicine, NEJM, Cell, whatever journal will print that crap…

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/03/needle-in-haystack-indeed.html/comment-page-1#comment-60306 Anonymous Mon, 13 Mar 2006 01:56:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/03/20193.html#comment-60306 "Would lawyers ever consider publishing a description of their unfavorable outcomes in a peer reviewed and publicaly accesible journal? I think not."<br/><br/>We already do. It's called the Court of Appeals and Supreme Court decisions. One lawyer (or more) loses in each of them every day.<br/><br/>Every bar magazine, or any group of lawyers, be it ATLA or the ABA Real Estate Section, has a periodical with cautionary tales. Many of them can be found in public libraries, and are chock full of cautionary tales on everything from statute of limitations issues to client relations. You can subscribe to any of them you want.<br/><br/>I've never been to a continuing education course where at least a part of it was dedicated to learning from other lawyer's mistakes. Like your profession, ours is constantly evolving, and new potential problems crop up every day. It's the "practice" of law and medicine for a reason.<br/><br/>Even our malpractice reprimands, suspensions, etc are usually listed in the bar magazines, with a short explanation of the reasoning, and if you want more info, they'll give it to you. Unless of course a confidential settlement (physicians use those too) was had prior to a complaint being filed with the bar. <br/><br/>If the President of the United States' suspension is public record, and one can read the opinion of the Ark. Committee on Professional Conduct, why do you think the rest of ours wouldn't be?<br/><br/>CJD “Would lawyers ever consider publishing a description of their unfavorable outcomes in a peer reviewed and publicaly accesible journal? I think not.”

We already do. It’s called the Court of Appeals and Supreme Court decisions. One lawyer (or more) loses in each of them every day.

Every bar magazine, or any group of lawyers, be it ATLA or the ABA Real Estate Section, has a periodical with cautionary tales. Many of them can be found in public libraries, and are chock full of cautionary tales on everything from statute of limitations issues to client relations. You can subscribe to any of them you want.

I’ve never been to a continuing education course where at least a part of it was dedicated to learning from other lawyer’s mistakes. Like your profession, ours is constantly evolving, and new potential problems crop up every day. It’s the “practice” of law and medicine for a reason.

Even our malpractice reprimands, suspensions, etc are usually listed in the bar magazines, with a short explanation of the reasoning, and if you want more info, they’ll give it to you. Unless of course a confidential settlement (physicians use those too) was had prior to a complaint being filed with the bar.

If the President of the United States’ suspension is public record, and one can read the opinion of the Ark. Committee on Professional Conduct, why do you think the rest of ours wouldn’t be?

CJD

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/03/needle-in-haystack-indeed.html/comment-page-1#comment-60302 Anonymous Sun, 12 Mar 2006 22:49:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/03/20193.html#comment-60302 Unfortunately, the lesson is : don't ask for an autopsy if a complicated patient dies. I say unfortunately, because we could learn from our mistakes, we could become better doctors by doing more autopsies.<br/>I wonder how the whole "say I'm sorry" thing will play out, I just don't trust the system anymore.<br/>Yes, there are difficult cases out there and sometimes the best physicians can't make the right diagnosis. Punishing them for that will only steer away physicians from difficult cases. Unfortunately, the lesson is : don’t ask for an autopsy if a complicated patient dies. I say unfortunately, because we could learn from our mistakes, we could become better doctors by doing more autopsies.
I wonder how the whole “say I’m sorry” thing will play out, I just don’t trust the system anymore.
Yes, there are difficult cases out there and sometimes the best physicians can’t make the right diagnosis. Punishing them for that will only steer away physicians from difficult cases.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/03/needle-in-haystack-indeed.html/comment-page-1#comment-60300 Anonymous Sun, 12 Mar 2006 18:34:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/03/20193.html#comment-60300 The Med student happens to be the victim of the cliche "Shit flows down!" The Med student happens to be the victim of the cliche “Shit flows down!”

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