Comments on: http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/03/arrested-for-doctor-shopping-utah.html medical blog Mon, 23 Nov 2009 01:35:28 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Anonymous http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/03/arrested-for-doctor-shopping-utah.html/comment-page-1#comment-86809 Anonymous Tue, 29 Jul 2008 04:28:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/03/20272.html#comment-86809 Am I supposed to assume that every patient who claims they are allergic to non-narcotic pain meds is lying? <br/><br/>Um yes because NO human being is truly allergic to toradol, ultram, motrin, tylenol, and nubain. I have a general rule I follow with potential drug seekers: if it is the first time I have seen them then I will probably give them the benefit of the doubt but if this is there 2nd, 3rd, or 25th visit then unless they have a broken arm or some very obvious cause for pain then they aren't getting narcotics from me. Also remember if you feed these trolls they will just keep coming back over and over and before long your ER will be full of every drug addict in town taking up precious time from the patiens who are actually there for legit reasons. A national database for all patients would solve most of the problems but since that makes sense it will never happen. Am I supposed to assume that every patient who claims they are allergic to non-narcotic pain meds is lying?

Um yes because NO human being is truly allergic to toradol, ultram, motrin, tylenol, and nubain. I have a general rule I follow with potential drug seekers: if it is the first time I have seen them then I will probably give them the benefit of the doubt but if this is there 2nd, 3rd, or 25th visit then unless they have a broken arm or some very obvious cause for pain then they aren’t getting narcotics from me. Also remember if you feed these trolls they will just keep coming back over and over and before long your ER will be full of every drug addict in town taking up precious time from the patiens who are actually there for legit reasons. A national database for all patients would solve most of the problems but since that makes sense it will never happen.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/03/arrested-for-doctor-shopping-utah.html/comment-page-1#comment-85033 Anonymous Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:32:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/03/20272.html#comment-85033 I have been treated in four different reputable pain treatment centers in the past 10 years. I have tried PT, stretching, acupuncture, and tried a number of the neurotransmitter meds that each make me uncoordinated, confused to the point I am unable to function. Now that the "wonderful DEA" has tightened up on doctors who give narcotics to "painseekers" how am I, a person with real signifcant PAIN approach a doctor for pain relief? I feel guilty or shamed as I feel pre-judged even tho I have done nothing wrong. Many legit patients end up self-medicating with alcohol with even worse results. I wish there was a poligraph to determine who is telling the truth. Today I am in a "flare" and don't feel able to leave the house, so it's ice packs, Whirlpool, resting, stretching...any thing but go to get the only pain relief that works for me. I am not very smart, I guess. I don't know how to get meds leagally without feeling like a drugseeker as I AM a drugseeker looking for narcotics for serious pain and I have no clue as to where people buy illegal drugs ( and don't WANT to know.) I have been treated in four different reputable pain treatment centers in the past 10 years. I have tried PT, stretching, acupuncture, and tried a number of the neurotransmitter meds that each make me uncoordinated, confused to the point I am unable to function. Now that the “wonderful DEA” has tightened up on doctors who give narcotics to “painseekers” how am I, a person with real signifcant PAIN approach a doctor for pain relief? I feel guilty or shamed as I feel pre-judged even tho I have done nothing wrong. Many legit patients end up self-medicating with alcohol with even worse results. I wish there was a poligraph to determine who is telling the truth. Today I am in a “flare” and don’t feel able to leave the house, so it’s ice packs, Whirlpool, resting, stretching…any thing but go to get the only pain relief that works for me. I am not very smart, I guess. I don’t know how to get meds leagally without feeling like a drugseeker as I AM a drugseeker looking for narcotics for serious pain and I have no clue as to where people buy illegal drugs ( and don’t WANT to know.)

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/03/arrested-for-doctor-shopping-utah.html/comment-page-1#comment-62684 Anonymous Thu, 04 May 2006 22:22:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/03/20272.html#comment-62684 HA! I just read this blog for the first time, and I get to be the first to post after Ms. Green. MRI's do not prove pain. Abnormal xrays and imaging studies are only tools to show anatomic abnormalities, not pain detectors. <br/>Drug seekers are the scum of the earth. They add expense to the system. They take up time that other patients may need more. They make all doctors and nurses more suspicious and less likely to believe those who genuinely have pain without objective evidence, and no, we can't spend all day sorting out who's a liar and who's not. They know this very well.<br/>I just love punctuation, don't you?<br/>Being on probation doesn't mean that it wasn't a serious offense, it means they don't want to waste more taxpayer money by feeding and clothing some loser.<br/>SW HA! I just read this blog for the first time, and I get to be the first to post after Ms. Green. MRI’s do not prove pain. Abnormal xrays and imaging studies are only tools to show anatomic abnormalities, not pain detectors.
Drug seekers are the scum of the earth. They add expense to the system. They take up time that other patients may need more. They make all doctors and nurses more suspicious and less likely to believe those who genuinely have pain without objective evidence, and no, we can’t spend all day sorting out who’s a liar and who’s not. They know this very well.
I just love punctuation, don’t you?
Being on probation doesn’t mean that it wasn’t a serious offense, it means they don’t want to waste more taxpayer money by feeding and clothing some loser.
SW

]]> By: Tonya Green http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/03/arrested-for-doctor-shopping-utah.html/comment-page-1#comment-62018 Tonya Green Sun, 16 Apr 2006 20:44:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/03/20272.html#comment-62018 You are all full of shit every single one of you what they reported was a big fat lie me and my husband do have real pain provin by mri and other test not only that we were refered to the doctor in nevada and we told him which doctor we were seeing in Utah and what medications we were taking the doctor told us he would communcaite with the doctor in utah. and when we found out that he wasn't we immeditaly stopped seeing both doctors and contacted the insurace agency also i helped the dea do a sting on the doctor in nevada and the acutally the only thing the insurance over paid on me Tonya Green was $100.00. This is not over we are going after the state of Utah and the Doctor in Nevada Oh and I only got probation so I guess it wasnt that serious they lied.<br/><br/>Tonya Green You are all full of shit every single one of you what they reported was a big fat lie me and my husband do have real pain provin by mri and other test not only that we were refered to the doctor in nevada and we told him which doctor we were seeing in Utah and what medications we were taking the doctor told us he would communcaite with the doctor in utah. and when we found out that he wasn’t we immeditaly stopped seeing both doctors and contacted the insurace agency also i helped the dea do a sting on the doctor in nevada and the acutally the only thing the insurance over paid on me Tonya Green was $100.00. This is not over we are going after the state of Utah and the Doctor in Nevada Oh and I only got probation so I guess it wasnt that serious they lied.

Tonya Green

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/03/arrested-for-doctor-shopping-utah.html/comment-page-1#comment-61032 Anonymous Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:00:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/03/20272.html#comment-61032 90% of the time you can "smell" a drug seeker but once in a while, one fools you. 90% of the time you can “smell” a drug seeker but once in a while, one fools you.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/03/arrested-for-doctor-shopping-utah.html/comment-page-1#comment-61027 Anonymous Sat, 25 Mar 2006 04:11:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/03/20272.html#comment-61027 As an outpatient doc, I rarely rx pain meds to a new patient, even if they bring documentation of lumbosacral disc disease and what not...I usually refer to pain management; I have lost patients because of this but I think I am better off...you go DEA! As an outpatient doc, I rarely rx pain meds to a new patient, even if they bring documentation of lumbosacral disc disease and what not…I usually refer to pain management; I have lost patients because of this but I think I am better off…you go DEA!

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/03/arrested-for-doctor-shopping-utah.html/comment-page-1#comment-61023 Anonymous Sat, 25 Mar 2006 03:57:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/03/20272.html#comment-61023 I presciribe pain meds in the post-op setting only- and then very judicioously. Everyone else can go pound sand I presciribe pain meds in the post-op setting only- and then very judicioously. Everyone else can go pound sand

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/03/arrested-for-doctor-shopping-utah.html/comment-page-1#comment-61021 Anonymous Sat, 25 Mar 2006 02:59:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/03/20272.html#comment-61021 I opt for a demerol, percocet, vicodin, dilaudid, xanax vending machines outside the ERs next to the coffee and candy machine instead of wasting time of the nurses and doctors.<br/><br/>Wait, even that wouldn't work because people would actually HAVE TO PAY FOR IT. So instead they would still torture the ED staff with concocted stories and complaints that can't be proved to get a free fix. I opt for a demerol, percocet, vicodin, dilaudid, xanax vending machines outside the ERs next to the coffee and candy machine instead of wasting time of the nurses and doctors.

Wait, even that wouldn’t work because people would actually HAVE TO PAY FOR IT. So instead they would still torture the ED staff with concocted stories and complaints that can’t be proved to get a free fix.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/03/arrested-for-doctor-shopping-utah.html/comment-page-1#comment-61016 Anonymous Sat, 25 Mar 2006 01:19:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/03/20272.html#comment-61016 This is BS. Doctors can only go by what patients tell them. There's no scan you can order which will prove that hte patient is having real pain and not just faking it.<br/><br/>I cant believe this guy. He thinks its doctors responsibility to prove that patients are telling the truth before scripting narcs? No freakin way.<br/><br/>Now if a doc hands out the highest dose of hydromorphone without first trying other pain meds, then fine I can fault hte doctor for that. <br/><br/>But if the patient makes up outright lies to get his pain meds, then the PATIENT IS TO BLAME, NOT THE DOC.<br/><br/>Am I supposed to assume that every patient who claims they are allergic to non-narcotic pain meds is lying? Am I supposed to grill them in an inquisition like manner? Thats BS. I take patients at face value unless it involves kids, then my index of suspicion is higher.<br/><br/>Trust the patients. If they are lying, its not my fault. This is BS. Doctors can only go by what patients tell them. There’s no scan you can order which will prove that hte patient is having real pain and not just faking it.

I cant believe this guy. He thinks its doctors responsibility to prove that patients are telling the truth before scripting narcs? No freakin way.

Now if a doc hands out the highest dose of hydromorphone without first trying other pain meds, then fine I can fault hte doctor for that.

But if the patient makes up outright lies to get his pain meds, then the PATIENT IS TO BLAME, NOT THE DOC.

Am I supposed to assume that every patient who claims they are allergic to non-narcotic pain meds is lying? Am I supposed to grill them in an inquisition like manner? Thats BS. I take patients at face value unless it involves kids, then my index of suspicion is higher.

Trust the patients. If they are lying, its not my fault.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/03/arrested-for-doctor-shopping-utah.html/comment-page-1#comment-61014 Anonymous Fri, 24 Mar 2006 23:46:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/03/20272.html#comment-61014 Just go to the ER, writhe in pain, wait your turn for 8 or 9 hours, then tell them you've got a kidney stone. Go into the Bathroom, piss in a cup, then cut your finger and put a few drops of blood in the urine. You'll get narcs, till the CYA CT SCan shows no stones. Then you'll get a script for 8 percs just to get your ass out of the ER. Just go to the ER, writhe in pain, wait your turn for 8 or 9 hours, then tell them you’ve got a kidney stone. Go into the Bathroom, piss in a cup, then cut your finger and put a few drops of blood in the urine. You’ll get narcs, till the CYA CT SCan shows no stones. Then you’ll get a script for 8 percs just to get your ass out of the ER.

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