<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on:</title> <atom:link href="http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/02/ongoing-vioxx-trial-follies-her.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/02/ongoing-vioxx-trial-follies-her.html</link> <description></description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:56:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/02/ongoing-vioxx-trial-follies-her.html#comment-67008</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:00:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/02/19954.html#comment-67008</guid> <description>I do not condone the miss use of the legal system by &quot;sue happy&quot; folks, but after reading many of the post here, doctors seem to feel that they are not liable for their mistakes. There is a difference between a &quot;bad out come&quot; and neglect. Doctors are in a position, like structural engineers, your mistakes can cost lives. If a doctor dose not double, and triple check their work their not a good doctor, and if you make a mistake like not ensuring that a clamp you place on a patient&#039;s fallopian tube is not 1) in working order, and 2) installed in the right place and properly secured, well then you are liable for the &quot;bad out-come&quot;.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not condone the miss use of the legal system by &#8220;sue happy&#8221; folks, but after reading many of the post here, doctors seem to feel that they are not liable for their mistakes. There is a difference between a &#8220;bad out come&#8221; and neglect. Doctors are in a position, like structural engineers, your mistakes can cost lives. If a doctor dose not double, and triple check their work their not a good doctor, and if you make a mistake like not ensuring that a clamp you place on a patient&#8217;s fallopian tube is not 1) in working order, and 2) installed in the right place and properly secured, well then you are liable for the &#8220;bad out-come&#8221;.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/02/ongoing-vioxx-trial-follies-her.html#comment-65224</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 03:17:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/02/19954.html#comment-65224</guid> <description>&quot;By the way, I&#039;m not a lawyer. I&#039;m an OB/Gyn and I have had malpractice actions against me. I figure its just part of the territory.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;and &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;quit OB after he got named twice, while he was still an intern!&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;...and now, I&#039;m in another field precisely because of this.  I only got named once, two years after the fact on the day the SOL ran, and the plaintiff has yet to find an expert witness but the judge gave an additional year to find one....Think I&#039;ll have my babies delivered in Canada...ain&#039;t gonna be no OBs left in the states</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;By the way, I&#8217;m not a lawyer. I&#8217;m an OB/Gyn and I have had malpractice actions against me. I figure its just part of the territory.&#8221;</p><p>and</p><p>&#8220;quit OB after he got named twice, while he was still an intern!&#8221;</p><p>&#8230;and now, I&#8217;m in another field precisely because of this.  I only got named once, two years after the fact on the day the SOL ran, and the plaintiff has yet to find an expert witness but the judge gave an additional year to find one&#8230;.Think I&#8217;ll have my babies delivered in Canada&#8230;ain&#8217;t gonna be no OBs left in the states</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Louise B. Andrew MD JD</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/02/ongoing-vioxx-trial-follies-her.html#comment-59095</link> <dc:creator>Louise B. Andrew MD JD</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2006 19:36:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/02/19954.html#comment-59095</guid> <description>Several &quot;anonymi&quot; have decried the fact that Dr. Graham was disqualified as a witness because a judge cared enough to investigate his qualifications to serve in the case--and found them wanting.  The same thing happened with a defense witness in the last New Jersey Vioxx case. Why should this incite anyone&#039;s ire?  &lt;br/&gt;This is exactly what judges SHOULD do.  It is what Judge Jack has done so exhaustively in the Silicosis MDL cases.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Such scrutiny is only mandated in federal courts and in courts in those states which have adopted the Daubert standard.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This is not a blow to one &quot;side&quot; of the bar or the other. It is a testament to the fact that the courts CAN work as neutral factfinders and not as lotteries.  All witnesses should be so scrutinized, by judges who have the courage and the knowledge as well as the determination to try to make an imperfect system to work fairly for all.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;All experts should be held to a code of ethics which requires that they have basic qualifications and experience, and render opinions honestly and with full knowledge of all available evidence as well as the current standard applicable in the field in which they are testifying.  All qualified physicians who can tolerate the process should be willing to serve in the capacity of medical expert, serving the courts, not the lawyers. And they should be compensated reasonably for this service, not &quot;what the market will bear&quot;, not on contingency, but in such a way as to reflect and reimburse them for the time this takes from their regular practice.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Anyone who is truly interested in this issue and in the cause of better medical expertise should visit www.ccemt.org, a nonprofit membership organization which I cofounded and which WILL help to report dishonest testimony by any witness identified by a member to the appropriate bodies, REGARDLESS of which side that witness &quot;represents&quot; ( in itself a mischaracterization of the appropriate role of a medical expert witness).  Instead of complaining endlessly about this flawed system, why don&#039;t we do something to change it?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several &#8220;anonymi&#8221; have decried the fact that Dr. Graham was disqualified as a witness because a judge cared enough to investigate his qualifications to serve in the case&#8211;and found them wanting.  The same thing happened with a defense witness in the last New Jersey Vioxx case. Why should this incite anyone&#8217;s ire? <br />This is exactly what judges SHOULD do.  It is what Judge Jack has done so exhaustively in the Silicosis MDL cases.</p><p>Such scrutiny is only mandated in federal courts and in courts in those states which have adopted the Daubert standard.</p><p>This is not a blow to one &#8220;side&#8221; of the bar or the other. It is a testament to the fact that the courts CAN work as neutral factfinders and not as lotteries.  All witnesses should be so scrutinized, by judges who have the courage and the knowledge as well as the determination to try to make an imperfect system to work fairly for all.</p><p>All experts should be held to a code of ethics which requires that they have basic qualifications and experience, and render opinions honestly and with full knowledge of all available evidence as well as the current standard applicable in the field in which they are testifying.  All qualified physicians who can tolerate the process should be willing to serve in the capacity of medical expert, serving the courts, not the lawyers. And they should be compensated reasonably for this service, not &#8220;what the market will bear&#8221;, not on contingency, but in such a way as to reflect and reimburse them for the time this takes from their regular practice.</p><p>Anyone who is truly interested in this issue and in the cause of better medical expertise should visit <a href="http://www.ccemt.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.ccemt.org</a>, a nonprofit membership organization which I cofounded and which WILL help to report dishonest testimony by any witness identified by a member to the appropriate bodies, REGARDLESS of which side that witness &#8220;represents&#8221; ( in itself a mischaracterization of the appropriate role of a medical expert witness).  Instead of complaining endlessly about this flawed system, why don&#8217;t we do something to change it?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: el</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/02/ongoing-vioxx-trial-follies-her.html#comment-59045</link> <dc:creator>el</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2006 04:47:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/02/19954.html#comment-59045</guid> <description>To Anon 10:05 PM &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You have nothing to worry about.  Probably neither do the Gyn&#039;s.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What&#039;s happening is a stall payment tactic by the insurance company.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;A number of years ago I was sent as a local IPA representative to be part of development of a new medical insurance plan with a local insurance company.  It was stated in one meeting that if expected payout exceeded receipts in a given month, then &quot;reasons&quot; would be given for no payment.  i.e., deliberate delay.  I never returned.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Anon 10:05 PM</p><p>You have nothing to worry about.  Probably neither do the Gyn&#8217;s.</p><p>What&#8217;s happening is a stall payment tactic by the insurance company.</p><p>A number of years ago I was sent as a local IPA representative to be part of development of a new medical insurance plan with a local insurance company.  It was stated in one meeting that if expected payout exceeded receipts in a given month, then &#8220;reasons&#8221; would be given for no payment.  i.e., deliberate delay.  I never returned.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/02/ongoing-vioxx-trial-follies-her.html#comment-59040</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2006 03:08:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/02/19954.html#comment-59040</guid> <description>&quot;By the way, I&#039;m not a lawyer. I&#039;m an OB/Gyn and I have had malpractice actions against me. I figure its just part of the territory.&quot;&lt;br/&gt; &lt;br/&gt;I guesst that&#039;s the right attitude to have. I know about 10 OB-GYNs, all early in their career (either directly or through their husbands, OB&#039;s seem to marry ER DOcs alot) and every one wants to quit due to the malpractice crisis, especially those enjoying their first lawsuit. One of my best friends quit OB after he got named twice, while he was still an intern!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;By the way, I&#8217;m not a lawyer. I&#8217;m an OB/Gyn and I have had malpractice actions against me. I figure its just part of the territory.&#8221;</p><p>I guesst that&#8217;s the right attitude to have. I know about 10 OB-GYNs, all early in their career (either directly or through their husbands, OB&#8217;s seem to marry ER DOcs alot) and every one wants to quit due to the malpractice crisis, especially those enjoying their first lawsuit. One of my best friends quit OB after he got named twice, while he was still an intern!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/02/ongoing-vioxx-trial-follies-her.html#comment-59039</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2006 03:05:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/02/19954.html#comment-59039</guid> <description>No. I&#039;m an ER Doc and I admitted a woman with a &quot;possible&quot; TOA to OB-GYN, they actually did the admission, when she didn&#039;t improve in 48-72 hours, they did an exploratory laparotomy and found an abscess. They removed it, and her ovary. I don&#039;t see how I could commit malpractice in this case, since I don&#039;t operate.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. I&#8217;m an ER Doc and I admitted a woman with a &#8220;possible&#8221; TOA to OB-GYN, they actually did the admission, when she didn&#8217;t improve in 48-72 hours, they did an exploratory laparotomy and found an abscess. They removed it, and her ovary. I don&#8217;t see how I could commit malpractice in this case, since I don&#8217;t operate.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: el</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/02/ongoing-vioxx-trial-follies-her.html#comment-59036</link> <dc:creator>el</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2006 01:19:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/02/19954.html#comment-59036</guid> <description>To Anon 4:01 PM&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;since time immemorial, all abscesses need to be drained, i.e., surgery is the treatment of choice.  True tubo-ovarian abscesses are treated with surgery, with few exceptions, many times with laparoscopy, with removal of the adnexa influenced by the patient&#039;s need for future fertility in the context of the severity of the damage.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m sure you meant to say that you admitted a patient with salpingoophoritis or an infection of her tube(s) and possibly ovary, placed her on antibiotics, and when she didn&#039;t improve after 48 to 72 hours, you consulted a gynecologist who took the patient to the OR and found a tubo-ovarian abscess at that time, and found it appropriate, in the patient&#039;s best interest, to remove her adnexa.  If so, you and the hospital should bill both the patient and her insurance and have no fear of any malpractice action.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Anon 4:01 PM</p><p>since time immemorial, all abscesses need to be drained, i.e., surgery is the treatment of choice.  True tubo-ovarian abscesses are treated with surgery, with few exceptions, many times with laparoscopy, with removal of the adnexa influenced by the patient&#8217;s need for future fertility in the context of the severity of the damage.</p><p>I&#8217;m sure you meant to say that you admitted a patient with salpingoophoritis or an infection of her tube(s) and possibly ovary, placed her on antibiotics, and when she didn&#8217;t improve after 48 to 72 hours, you consulted a gynecologist who took the patient to the OR and found a tubo-ovarian abscess at that time, and found it appropriate, in the patient&#8217;s best interest, to remove her adnexa.  If so, you and the hospital should bill both the patient and her insurance and have no fear of any malpractice action.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/02/ongoing-vioxx-trial-follies-her.html#comment-59035</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2006 01:10:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/02/19954.html#comment-59035</guid> <description>el,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I was aware of the failure rate.  My point was simply that some people left to deal with an unwanted pregnancy would (one would assume that if you&#039;ve had a tubal you don&#039;t want to be pregnant anymore)decide that a law suit was a good way to handle the &quot;less than perfect outcome.&quot;  I was using that particular experience as an example of a bad outcome without violation of standard of care. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;JH</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>el,</p><p>I was aware of the failure rate.  My point was simply that some people left to deal with an unwanted pregnancy would (one would assume that if you&#8217;ve had a tubal you don&#8217;t want to be pregnant anymore)decide that a law suit was a good way to handle the &#8220;less than perfect outcome.&#8221;  I was using that particular experience as an example of a bad outcome without violation of standard of care.</p><p>JH</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: el</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/02/ongoing-vioxx-trial-follies-her.html#comment-59034</link> <dc:creator>el</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2006 21:22:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/02/19954.html#comment-59034</guid> <description>I think us physicians have an abject ignorance about the role of expert witnesses in a medical malpractice case.  Expert witnesses, with few exceptions, are required.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;One element of a cause of action for medical malpractice is proof of the standard of care by which the defendant physician&#039;s conduct is to be measured.... (T)he appellate decisions in this State (Illinois) have held that the plaintiff in a medical malpractice action generally must establish the standard of care through expert testimony.&quot;  (Walski v. Tiesenga 381 N.E.2d 279.)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That said, it goes without saying that expert witnesses must be competent.  I wonder if the plaintiff in this Vioxx trial might have, if the case is not successful, a cause of action against the attorney involved.  There is such a thing as attorney malpractice.  For such a high profile case, you&#039;d think that detail would be covered.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I actually like the idea of an independent panel of physician expert witnesses.  They could be vetted for competency.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;By the way, I&#039;m not a lawyer.  I&#039;m an OB/Gyn and I have had malpractice actions against me.  I figure its just part of the territory.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;To Anon 1:09 PM;  &lt;br/&gt;All tubal ligations have a risk of failure, approx. 3/1000 or 1/300.  If you were not informed of that risk, that&#039;s poor pre-op management by your surgeon.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think us physicians have an abject ignorance about the role of expert witnesses in a medical malpractice case.  Expert witnesses, with few exceptions, are required.</p><p>&#8220;One element of a cause of action for medical malpractice is proof of the standard of care by which the defendant physician&#8217;s conduct is to be measured&#8230;. (T)he appellate decisions in this State (Illinois) have held that the plaintiff in a medical malpractice action generally must establish the standard of care through expert testimony.&#8221;  (Walski v. Tiesenga 381 N.E.2d 279.)</p><p>That said, it goes without saying that expert witnesses must be competent.  I wonder if the plaintiff in this Vioxx trial might have, if the case is not successful, a cause of action against the attorney involved.  There is such a thing as attorney malpractice.  For such a high profile case, you&#8217;d think that detail would be covered.</p><p>I actually like the idea of an independent panel of physician expert witnesses.  They could be vetted for competency.</p><p>By the way, I&#8217;m not a lawyer.  I&#8217;m an OB/Gyn and I have had malpractice actions against me.  I figure its just part of the territory.</p><p>To Anon 1:09 PM; <br />All tubal ligations have a risk of failure, approx. 3/1000 or 1/300.  If you were not informed of that risk, that&#8217;s poor pre-op management by your surgeon.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2006/02/ongoing-vioxx-trial-follies-her.html#comment-59033</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2006 21:01:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2006/02/19954.html#comment-59033</guid> <description>I saw a patient who had a tubo-ovarian abscess. I gave her IV antibiotics and admitted her to the hospital, she didn&#039;t get better with the antibiotics, so 2 days later, the OB-GYN had to remove her ovary. Several months later my hospital gets a letter from the insurance company. Since she had her ovary removed (obviously a bad outcome) some malpractice must have been committed. Either you drop the entire hospital bill or we contact the patient and tell her to hire an attorney and sue the 2 doctors (me and the OB-GYN). Standard of care my foot. If someone young has a bad outcome in this country, someones gotta pay.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw a patient who had a tubo-ovarian abscess. I gave her IV antibiotics and admitted her to the hospital, she didn&#8217;t get better with the antibiotics, so 2 days later, the OB-GYN had to remove her ovary. Several months later my hospital gets a letter from the insurance company. Since she had her ovary removed (obviously a bad outcome) some malpractice must have been committed. Either you drop the entire hospital bill or we contact the patient and tell her to hire an attorney and sue the 2 doctors (me and the OB-GYN). Standard of care my foot. If someone young has a bad outcome in this country, someones gotta pay.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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