Friday, February 24, 200618
A bill is introduced that would bar physicians from asking about gun ownership:
A pediatrician who asks a child's parent about firearms in their home could lose his or her license or be disciplined under legislation being considered by a Senate committee today.(via a reader tip)
The bill would prohibit health care professionals from asking a patient about gun possession, ownership or storage unless the patient is being treated for an injury related to guns or asks for safety counseling about them.





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gasman
Amazing how frightened, and paranoid, gun nuts are.
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Moof
Back in November, I wrote a post about physicians asking their patients about guns. Personally, I don't believe the subject belongs in a doctor's office, unless it's behind the patient's current medical need.
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Anonymous
Why is this not a subject for parents to educate their own children about? There were guns in our house. My husband was a police officer so the kids saw him in uniform all their life with his gun in plain sight. When off duty and at home they were never available for anyone to see. Always in a locked cabinet..
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Bad Shift
Don't you think doctors are really just trying to prevent death? It's weird that people who would want less governmental control over guns could also want government to criminalize the act of inquiring about guns. Which is it, less governmental oversight or more? (I happen to support the right to bear arms as well as the right to ask any medically relevant question. Why does the government have to be responsible for everything?)
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Anonymous
The bill unfairly targets health care professionals. The bill should include school teachers, educators, tutors, day care workers, ministers, preachers, priests, counselors, cafeteria workers, school bus drivers and all those with contact with children and be disciplined like health care professionals if they ever inquire or discuss guns in the homes. Now that will be more fair and will really make an impact. And if the news media (TV and newspaper) ever tries to show any child injured or killed by a gun at home, they should be disciplined too.
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Greg P
If you remove the "g" word here ("f" word, if you like), there are plenty of topics that would be rather offbeat or inappropriate to come up in a physician's office (eg, asking your child patient's parents about their sex life), but that doesn't mean they should be criminalized.
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Anonymous
"But that said, I have to wonder if the physician who would ask his patients about guns would assign the same importance to inquiring about other things which are even more commonly found in homes, and which cause even more accidents than guns do: stoves, bath tubs, cleaning chemicals, prescription medications ... to name a few. Are they going to ask about those too?"
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mchebert
What shames me the most about this is that the story comes from the Commonwealth of Virginia, which was the first American colony too enact a bill of rights.
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Anonymous
Fortunately, the senate committee kills the bill. There are actually more importants things that can be banned: talking on cell phone while driving,smoking in restaurants, prescribing controlled substances to drug seekers in ER's,junk food school vending machines, etc.
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Anonymous
"A pediatrician who asks a child's parent about firearms in their home could lose his or her license or be disciplined"
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Anonymous
I ask almost all my adult male depressed patients if they have easy access to a gun.
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Anonymous
You doctors are crazed Stalinist busybodies guided by ideology not fact or science. (Surprise--given slim percentages of medical practice that is based on real evidence, it seems obvious you docs prefer the authority of science, not its discipline.) In any case, guns really pose a tiny risk to children. Steve Levitt of Freakonomics fame examined this, finding pools are 100x more dangerous to children.
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Anonymous
You docs are ideological hacks. Pompous and unhinged from reality--ah, but medicine isn't too often evidence-based, so I guess u guys don't need to worry about facts.
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Anonymous
I you are just asking depressed patients if they have access to a gun, you are making a mistake. The correct question to ask is, "Do you have any specific plans to kill yourself?" Firearms are one of the most common successful methods of suicide in the US, but drug overdose is by far, far the most common method of an attempt.
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Anonymous
wow, the nuts came out in force here, eh? Yes, I read Freakonomics. Big whoop. His analysis is not the final word on gun safety. You (I am assuming one person wrote all 3 previous posts) are conflating asking about gun ownership with accusing a parent of negligence. The NRA recognizes the dangers of guns in the home and recommends talking about gun safety w/ kids.
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Anonymous
"didn't Stephen Levitt of Freakonomics fame show that a house with pool is 100x more dangerous than a house with gun. Do you report all patient that have pools to protective services? If you're answer is no, then you are an ideological, ignorant hack."
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Anonymous
It's no G*dd*mn business of anyone, including doctors, whether anyone keeps a gun or not. I'm a doctor myself and I'd never think of asking a patient this but then again I'm not an anti-gun nut intent on destroying activity protected by the constitution.
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Anonymous
I agree with the above poster. It is not any Drs. business who owns guns (unless you think you have p***** someone off so much they might come after you).
Post a CommentAnyone can choose to not answer any query about guns. Why do the gun nuts have to create a law to criminalize asking them about their guns.
Are they so fragile that they cannot politely (or otherwise) decline to comment? Are gun owners so weak that they have to be protected by the state against the interogation tactics known to be utilized by pediatricians?
Pediatricians know what kills their child patients. They will continue to discuss guns in the homes of their patients with the parents of those patients. They will merely have to rephrase their discussions so as to avoid direct query. They might say "At this time in discussing preventitive health and safety issues, I discuss the potential impact of firearms in the home on children. Does little Johnny every have potential access to a firearm? This is important because it is a preventable source of injury, along with securing poisons, medications and other dangerous substances around the home".
No direct query, the law is satisfied, the subject discussed for the potential risks to the child patient.
The gun crowd is an insecure lot to need such a law to 'protect' them. But then their insecurities are the reason they become gun owners.
10:23 PM
Why would a physician ask a patient if he has a gun in the house? Is the physician a gun expert who's going to give the patient instructions on how to deal with his gun? Could it possibly be that the patient actually knows how to take care of his gun, and doesn't need the prying questions of someone who probably does not even own a gun himself, and only knows what he's been told, or read, about them? What place does that have in medicine?
Now, I don't believe that a law should be passed to prevent physicians from asking that sort of question, because they should have the right to ask anything they'd like ...
But that said, I have to wonder if the physician who would ask his patients about guns would assign the same importance to inquiring about other things which are even more commonly found in homes, and which cause even more accidents than guns do: stoves, bath tubs, cleaning chemicals, prescription medications ... to name a few. Are they going to ask about those too?
When someone asks me if I own a gun, and then go on to lecture me about my gun ownership, I see that person with new eyes - where I once saw a clerk, or a doctor, or a teacher ... I now see a political activist.
There are some arenas that politics isn't welcome, in my opinion, and one of those is when I'm talking to my doctor.
10:51 PM
When they were old enough we explained the dangers of firearms..Taking the kids out and having them watch while he shot a can that exploded into about a million pieces, helped them understand "thats what can happen to you if you abuse firearms." Of course he was the firearms instructor for all the police officers so talking about gun safety was always on his mind.
11:26 PM
1:45 AM
9:26 AM
More appropriate for review by a medical licensing board, so that they could properly find out the doctor's rationale for this line of questioning.
If someone felt strongly about this from a public health point-of-view, perhaps posting a public service announcement in the waiting room about locking up firearms would suffice.
9:33 AM
Yes. Many pediatricians do ask about these things, as part of the general "childproofing your house" talk once kids reach the appropriate age. Car seats in particular are something that pediatricians frequently ask about. At my teaching institution, the computer pops up reminders for all these topics when children reach the appropriate age.
10:58 AM
I lived in Virginia for 11 years and can't believe they would be so stupid.
I discuss this topic further on my own website.
11:43 AM
12:35 PM
In Massachusetts, we are required by law to report any case in which we think a child is endamgered. I would consider an unlocked gun in a household a child at risk. If we don't report such things to child protective services we can lose our medical license. I would much rather lose my job for reporting gun ownership then pronounce a 2 year old dead of a gunshot wound, which I have done.
4:57 PM
11:44 PM
http://www.azstarnet.com/dailystar/news/79388.php
Question Anon4.57: do you report parents with pools to protective services, you really should.
As this comment thread shows, the world is full of doctor ideologues ready to report gun owners, regardless of the true risk to human life. We need protection from such zealots in white coats!
10:29 PM
To the doctor who said this:
"I would consider an unlocked gun in a household a child at risk. If we don't report such things to child protective services we can lose our medical license."
Hmmm . . . didn't Stephen Levitt of Freakonomics fame show that a house with pool is 100x more dangerous than a house with gun. Do you report all patient that have pools to protective services? If you're answer is no, then you are an ideological, ignorant hack.
http://www.azstarnet.com/dailystar/news/79388.php
10:54 PM
The problem with asking about guns, from a medical standpoint as a risk to depressed patients and to children, is that it skews the relative risk. A child is far more likely to die from choking or from drowning in a swimming pool. Even a stairway represents a greater risk of serious injury than a handgun.
11:06 PM
1:50 AM
We ask about safe homes in general and protective services does an evaluation of the entire home for safety issues. There's no politics involved. I could care less if anyone owns a gun, my dad had a gun, he just didn't leave it out.
7:26 AM
8:56 PM
It's really not even your business if you are treating a gunshot victim. I assume the police and detectives and all other types of professionals get invloved with that, isn't that their job?
I thought your jobs were to treat victims not investigate crimes!!!
10:56 PM