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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2005/11/pulmonary-embolus-missed-stop.html/comment-page-1#comment-57424</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2005 19:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to everyone for the great discussion about PE and troublesome diagnosis (it degenerated a bit at the end with the face punching bit; somewhat insensitive!)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Anyway, no one mentioned VQ lung scans in nuclear medicine in the CT vs MRI controversy. In the data I&#039;ve seen, nuclear has a slight edge in terms of sensitivity for finding PE over CT (the new 64 slice spiral CT might have improved on the sensitivity).  Also, the radiation dose is much lower with nuclear medicine (xrays vs gamma rays, at lower numbers of millirads).  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I was interested in the discussion on D-Dimers, and the inaccuracy.  Isn&#039;t the d-dimer test a 98% accurate negative predictor of PE, i.e. if your d-dimers aren&#039;t elevated, there&#039;s a less than 2% chance of PE?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to everyone for the great discussion about PE and troublesome diagnosis (it degenerated a bit at the end with the face punching bit; somewhat insensitive!)</p>
<p>Anyway, no one mentioned VQ lung scans in nuclear medicine in the CT vs MRI controversy. In the data I&#8217;ve seen, nuclear has a slight edge in terms of sensitivity for finding PE over CT (the new 64 slice spiral CT might have improved on the sensitivity).  Also, the radiation dose is much lower with nuclear medicine (xrays vs gamma rays, at lower numbers of millirads).  </p>
<p>I was interested in the discussion on D-Dimers, and the inaccuracy.  Isn&#8217;t the d-dimer test a 98% accurate negative predictor of PE, i.e. if your d-dimers aren&#8217;t elevated, there&#8217;s a less than 2% chance of PE?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2005/11/pulmonary-embolus-missed-stop.html/comment-page-1#comment-56735</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2005 19:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if Anon 9:32 knows how stupid he is but I bet after reading all of this he&#039;ll keep his ignorance to himself next time rather than subject himself to this kind of abuse.  On second thought, it hasn&#039;t stopped CJD or Dr. Elliot.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if Anon 9:32 knows how stupid he is but I bet after reading all of this he&#8217;ll keep his ignorance to himself next time rather than subject himself to this kind of abuse.  On second thought, it hasn&#8217;t stopped CJD or Dr. Elliot.  <img src='http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read Anon 932 posting. What an idiot! Does this guy know how stupid he is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read Anon 932 posting. What an idiot! Does this guy know how stupid he is?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2005/11/pulmonary-embolus-missed-stop.html/comment-page-1#comment-56710</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with Anon 341.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;s easy to post any idiotic comment and pretend knowledge in this medium but there is a price for it. Your feelings might get hurt. Some will ignore you but some will expose your stupidity.&lt;br/&gt;Go play doctor somewhere else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with Anon 341.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy to post any idiotic comment and pretend knowledge in this medium but there is a price for it. Your feelings might get hurt. Some will ignore you but some will expose your stupidity.<br />Go play doctor somewhere else.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Well, I suppose any health care customer who threatens physicians&#039; fragile little egos must face their mob-like wrath.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;s not that.  It&#039;s the know-it-all arrogance you display, all the while making an idiot out yourself trying to teach us about something you are ignorant about.   Why can&#039;t you just admit that you know nothing about CT, MRI, and the diagnosis of PE and just move on?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Well, I suppose any health care customer who threatens physicians&#8217; fragile little egos must face their mob-like wrath.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that.  It&#8217;s the know-it-all arrogance you display, all the while making an idiot out yourself trying to teach us about something you are ignorant about.   Why can&#8217;t you just admit that you know nothing about CT, MRI, and the diagnosis of PE and just move on?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2005 03:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; If I was your doctor, and you threatened me like that, I&#039;d punch you in the mouth.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;No you wouldn&#039;t.  You&#039;d probably fume, maybe stamp around a little, but anyone who talks as tough as you do all the time doesn&#039;t really want to back it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; If I was your doctor, and you threatened me like that, I&#8217;d punch you in the mouth.&#8221;</p>
<p>No you wouldn&#8217;t.  You&#8217;d probably fume, maybe stamp around a little, but anyone who talks as tough as you do all the time doesn&#8217;t really want to back it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2005 02:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And to the patient above, who threatened to sue his/her doctor if he didn&#039;t do an MRI. If I was your doctor, and you threatened me like that, I&#039;d punch you in the mouth. Man or woman. No human being deserves to be threatened like that. Remember, your doctor is a human being.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;well, anon 11.16, I am the &quot;patient&quot; above and take your best shot--but I am a black belt in tae kwon do.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;your reaction--and virtually all the other reactions to my post--are bizarre and really demonstrate the near pathological self-absorption of doctors.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hit me because I threaten to sue?!  Doctor, you are providing a service, just like a builder or accountant or prostitute.  We have a contractual relationship.  If I have to use all the leverage at my disposal to obtain what I want, why is that evil or impinge upon your personhood.  It&#039;s called the market.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As for all the other doctors who stated I recommend MRI for PE--I did nothing of the sort.  Only asked why MRI could not be used in PE--an idea that occurred to me given my own experience in which both modalities were acceptable (which as the article I cite is true for numerous conditions).  Well, I suppose any health care customer who threatens physicians&#039; fragile little egos must face their mob-like wrath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And to the patient above, who threatened to sue his/her doctor if he didn&#8217;t do an MRI. If I was your doctor, and you threatened me like that, I&#8217;d punch you in the mouth. Man or woman. No human being deserves to be threatened like that. Remember, your doctor is a human being.&#8221;</p>
<p>well, anon 11.16, I am the &#8220;patient&#8221; above and take your best shot&#8211;but I am a black belt in tae kwon do.</p>
<p>your reaction&#8211;and virtually all the other reactions to my post&#8211;are bizarre and really demonstrate the near pathological self-absorption of doctors.</p>
<p>Hit me because I threaten to sue?!  Doctor, you are providing a service, just like a builder or accountant or prostitute.  We have a contractual relationship.  If I have to use all the leverage at my disposal to obtain what I want, why is that evil or impinge upon your personhood.  It&#8217;s called the market.  </p>
<p>As for all the other doctors who stated I recommend MRI for PE&#8211;I did nothing of the sort.  Only asked why MRI could not be used in PE&#8211;an idea that occurred to me given my own experience in which both modalities were acceptable (which as the article I cite is true for numerous conditions).  Well, I suppose any health care customer who threatens physicians&#8217; fragile little egos must face their mob-like wrath.</p>
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		<title>By: s.</title>
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		<dc:creator>s.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Anonymous : 6:02 PM:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt;If the whole issue was simple and easy it wouldn&#039;t take 4 years of medical school and 3+ years of indentured servitude residency training to practice medicine.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It seems to me,  If the only alternative is to miss cases of PE, CT&#039;s should not be deemed &quot;unecessary&quot; simply because the result is negative.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;To what level must the index of suspicion rise before you order one?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt; &lt;b&gt;Anonymous 11:16 PM&lt;/b&gt;:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thanks for that extra bit of history, I was in fact wondering to myself &quot;did anyone ask her about birth control pills.&quot;  Patients are not always that good at connecting dots, and she probably never considered that her anxiety could be related to a side effect of BCP - and patients incorrectly figure if something could be significant, they will be asked about it, and so don&#039;t  bring it up.  Big mistake...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In her defense, in my own experience, aides who do intake frequently fail to accurately record what I tell them - and fail to ask important questions, such as meds recently taken or recently discontinued and why. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I thought it was well-settled that BCP increased the risk of blood clots in some women who use them, especially smokers and older women?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Anonymous : 6:02 PM:</b></p>
<p><i>If the whole issue was simple and easy it wouldn&#8217;t take 4 years of medical school and 3+ years of indentured servitude residency training to practice medicine.</i></p>
<p>It seems to me,  If the only alternative is to miss cases of PE, CT&#8217;s should not be deemed &#8220;unecessary&#8221; simply because the result is negative.</p>
<p>To what level must the index of suspicion rise before you order one?</p>
<p> <b>Anonymous 11:16 PM</b>:</p>
<p>Thanks for that extra bit of history, I was in fact wondering to myself &#8220;did anyone ask her about birth control pills.&#8221;  Patients are not always that good at connecting dots, and she probably never considered that her anxiety could be related to a side effect of BCP &#8211; and patients incorrectly figure if something could be significant, they will be asked about it, and so don&#8217;t  bring it up.  Big mistake&#8230;</p>
<p>In her defense, in my own experience, aides who do intake frequently fail to accurately record what I tell them &#8211; and fail to ask important questions, such as meds recently taken or recently discontinued and why. </p>
<p>I thought it was well-settled that BCP increased the risk of blood clots in some women who use them, especially smokers and older women?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2005 04:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love it! A D-Dimer in a woman who&#039;s 41 weeks pregnant! (All Pregnant woman will have positive D-Dimers) And yes, there apparently was an extenuating circumstance in the woman I sent home who died of a PE. She was on Birth Control Pills (It is controversial whether it&#039;s a risk factor for PE&#039;s) But the patient never told anyone she was on birth control pills. And to the patient above, who threatened to sue his/her doctor if he didn&#039;t do an MRI. If I was your doctor, and you threatened me like that, I&#039;d punch you in the mouth. Man or woman. No human being deserves to be threatened like that. Remember, your doctor is a human being.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love it! A D-Dimer in a woman who&#8217;s 41 weeks pregnant! (All Pregnant woman will have positive D-Dimers) And yes, there apparently was an extenuating circumstance in the woman I sent home who died of a PE. She was on Birth Control Pills (It is controversial whether it&#8217;s a risk factor for PE&#8217;s) But the patient never told anyone she was on birth control pills. And to the patient above, who threatened to sue his/her doctor if he didn&#8217;t do an MRI. If I was your doctor, and you threatened me like that, I&#8217;d punch you in the mouth. Man or woman. No human being deserves to be threatened like that. Remember, your doctor is a human being.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2005 01:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If the whole issue was simple and easy it wouldn&#039;t take 4 years of medical school and 3+ years of indentured servitude residency training to practice medicine.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Not according to CJD and Dr. Elliot.  They routinely point out how cut and dried the whole process is and how much doctors don&#039;t know about the realities of practicing medicine.   They&#039;re the experts here, doncha know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If the whole issue was simple and easy it wouldn&#8217;t take 4 years of medical school and 3+ years of indentured servitude residency training to practice medicine.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not according to CJD and Dr. Elliot.  They routinely point out how cut and dried the whole process is and how much doctors don&#8217;t know about the realities of practicing medicine.   They&#8217;re the experts here, doncha know?</p>
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