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		<title>By: Vicki</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2005/08/i-didnt-understand-any-of-medical.html/comment-page-1#comment-54892</link>
		<dc:creator>Vicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2005 15:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m neither a lawyer nor a physician, although I worked for some of each group in the distant past.  I have also served on two juries, one of them an aggravated DUI and another multi-count criminal case.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If I were on a jury in a med. malpractice case, and the science as presented was so muddy that we couldn&#039;t understand it, I would have asked questions of witnesses in an attempt to clarify things.  If that didn&#039;t work, I think I would be inclined not to find for the plaintiff on the grounds that he/she had not proved the case.  At the very least, I would not have supported that large an award, for any number of reasons, not the least of which would be that the case was too uncertain.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I was not on this case, have not reviewed the evidence, do not know the science, etc., etc., etc.  I am turned off, however, by several of the statements made by jurors after the fact.  They sound irresponsible, to me.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Okay, CJD and everyone else, take your best shot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m neither a lawyer nor a physician, although I worked for some of each group in the distant past.  I have also served on two juries, one of them an aggravated DUI and another multi-count criminal case.</p>
<p>If I were on a jury in a med. malpractice case, and the science as presented was so muddy that we couldn&#8217;t understand it, I would have asked questions of witnesses in an attempt to clarify things.  If that didn&#8217;t work, I think I would be inclined not to find for the plaintiff on the grounds that he/she had not proved the case.  At the very least, I would not have supported that large an award, for any number of reasons, not the least of which would be that the case was too uncertain.</p>
<p>I was not on this case, have not reviewed the evidence, do not know the science, etc., etc., etc.  I am turned off, however, by several of the statements made by jurors after the fact.  They sound irresponsible, to me.</p>
<p>Okay, CJD and everyone else, take your best shot.</p>
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		<title>By: Curious JD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curious JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2005 18:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Intern, I&#039;m normally quite respectful of those who engage me respectfully.  However, the various anonymouses are not those people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Intern, I&#8217;m normally quite respectful of those who engage me respectfully.  However, the various anonymouses are not those people.</p>
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		<title>By: Intern in the District</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2005/08/i-didnt-understand-any-of-medical.html/comment-page-1#comment-54824</link>
		<dc:creator>Intern in the District</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2005 05:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a random thought after reading this and other threads (and honestly not meant as a simple ad hominem):&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;CJD, I agree with you more often than not as far as the anti-jury slant on medblogs goes, but have you considered moderating your tone? You come off as an obnoxious jack-a$$ and people end up in shouting matches with you instead of seriously addressing your often insightful and incisive commentary.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As an aside, the recent AJPH supplement on science in the courts has some excellent write-ups by MDs and PhDs on scientific evidence and juries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a random thought after reading this and other threads (and honestly not meant as a simple ad hominem):</p>
<p>CJD, I agree with you more often than not as far as the anti-jury slant on medblogs goes, but have you considered moderating your tone? You come off as an obnoxious jack-a$$ and people end up in shouting matches with you instead of seriously addressing your often insightful and incisive commentary.</p>
<p>As an aside, the recent AJPH supplement on science in the courts has some excellent write-ups by MDs and PhDs on scientific evidence and juries.</p>
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		<title>By: Curious JD</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2005/08/i-didnt-understand-any-of-medical.html/comment-page-1#comment-54802</link>
		<dc:creator>Curious JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2005 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe if you told us specifically what the claims were in both cases, whether the evidence will be similar, etc.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Oh, I forgot - you don&#039;t know any of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe if you told us specifically what the claims were in both cases, whether the evidence will be similar, etc.</p>
<p>Oh, I forgot &#8211; you don&#8217;t know any of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2005 14:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christopher Seeger, the attorney who&#039;s going after Merck next, is on TV now. He&#039;s antagonistic, he&#039;s got a beard, he doesn&#039;t wear a tie. Not sexy like Lanier. Not that it matters his client was only on Vioxx 2 months, juries won&#039;t even remember that. Anyone want to wager he loses the case?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christopher Seeger, the attorney who&#8217;s going after Merck next, is on TV now. He&#8217;s antagonistic, he&#8217;s got a beard, he doesn&#8217;t wear a tie. Not sexy like Lanier. Not that it matters his client was only on Vioxx 2 months, juries won&#8217;t even remember that. Anyone want to wager he loses the case?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;...companies now post so many pages of dangers and side effects in the handout that comes with every prescription in order to avoid getting sued...&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Actually they do so because it is required by the FDA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8230;companies now post so many pages of dangers and side effects in the handout that comes with every prescription in order to avoid getting sued&#8230;</i></p>
<p>Actually they do so because it is required by the FDA.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It&#039;s almost like diagnosing malpractice or the lack thereof from a newspaper article, isn&#039;t it?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;LOL, Dr. Elliot does it here all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It&#8217;s almost like diagnosing malpractice or the lack thereof from a newspaper article, isn&#8217;t it?</i></p>
<p>LOL, Dr. Elliot does it here all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The law in Texas is already changed relating to damages, as the ultimate verdict amount will reflect.  Businesses have lots of lobbyists and cash to spend on legislators.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I would imagine that defense counsel was well prepared.  Merck had to know the importance of this case as did their defense counsel.  You don&#039;t pay $500+ an hour to be unprepared.  I would be shocked if they didn&#039;t have their own jury consultants, mock trials, etc.  But Merck&#039;s not exactly eager to reveal how much it spent and the tactics it used to lose.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Still, it&#039;s a little surprising that the President of the company couldn&#039;t be bothered to be there when everyone knew how high the stakes were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The law in Texas is already changed relating to damages, as the ultimate verdict amount will reflect.  Businesses have lots of lobbyists and cash to spend on legislators.</p>
<p>I would imagine that defense counsel was well prepared.  Merck had to know the importance of this case as did their defense counsel.  You don&#8217;t pay $500+ an hour to be unprepared.  I would be shocked if they didn&#8217;t have their own jury consultants, mock trials, etc.  But Merck&#8217;s not exactly eager to reveal how much it spent and the tactics it used to lose.</p>
<p>Still, it&#8217;s a little surprising that the President of the company couldn&#8217;t be bothered to be there when everyone knew how high the stakes were.</p>
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		<title>By: cfw</title>
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		<dc:creator>cfw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jurors were not well treated by defense counsel it seems to me.  I have seen no evidence defense counsel did any jury research, used any shadow jury, etc.  Trial presentation is a science and an art.  Plaintiff had a weak case but knew how to make the most of it, and did so.  Used jury research and shadow jury to make sure it was likely to be understood.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The shock here is not that plaintiff won a close case (someone needs to win) but that the damages are off the chart.  Place to change the law is relating to damages, IMO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jurors were not well treated by defense counsel it seems to me.  I have seen no evidence defense counsel did any jury research, used any shadow jury, etc.  Trial presentation is a science and an art.  Plaintiff had a weak case but knew how to make the most of it, and did so.  Used jury research and shadow jury to make sure it was likely to be understood.  </p>
<p>The shock here is not that plaintiff won a close case (someone needs to win) but that the damages are off the chart.  Place to change the law is relating to damages, IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The fact that a juror would even consider something like the fact that the warning about cardiovascular dangers on the Vioxx bottle wasn&#039;t large enough for him (when such is strictly regulated by the FDA, as pointoflaw points out) is absolutley ridiculous.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Actually, companies now post so many pages of dangers and side effects in the handout that comes with every prescription in order to avoid getting sued that it has rendered the information completely useless. Another result of the litigation craze in this country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The fact that a juror would even consider something like the fact that the warning about cardiovascular dangers on the Vioxx bottle wasn&#8217;t large enough for him (when such is strictly regulated by the FDA, as pointoflaw points out) is absolutley ridiculous.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, companies now post so many pages of dangers and side effects in the handout that comes with every prescription in order to avoid getting sued that it has rendered the information completely useless. Another result of the litigation craze in this country.</p>
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