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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2005/07/man-faints-dies-after-seeing-epidural.html/comment-page-1#comment-86933</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 05:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This situation is CLEARLY an unfortunate accident.I cannot BEGAN to see where the hospital is responsible/liable. Loved ones are usually there to comfort/assist their own family members so that they&#039;re comfortable... We have to take responsibility for OUR own actions. Since this was a &quot;second&quot; child and the father was &quot;excited&quot; he (perhaps) would remember how &quot;excited&quot; he was the first time around...so, he has to decide for HIMSELF his own limitations? How many fathers present in the delivery room cannot (merely) comfort/assist their spouse? Otherwise, why would they request to be present in the first place?  I feel badly for the family and their loss. NO NEGLIGENCE TO HOSPITAL OR STAFF -</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This situation is CLEARLY an unfortunate accident.I cannot BEGAN to see where the hospital is responsible/liable. Loved ones are usually there to comfort/assist their own family members so that they&#8217;re comfortable&#8230; We have to take responsibility for OUR own actions. Since this was a &#8220;second&#8221; child and the father was &#8220;excited&#8221; he (perhaps) would remember how &#8220;excited&#8221; he was the first time around&#8230;so, he has to decide for HIMSELF his own limitations? How many fathers present in the delivery room cannot (merely) comfort/assist their spouse? Otherwise, why would they request to be present in the first place?  I feel badly for the family and their loss. NO NEGLIGENCE TO HOSPITAL OR STAFF -</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2005/07/man-faints-dies-after-seeing-epidural.html/comment-page-1#comment-80586</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 02:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its funny how people just talk down on people when they dont even know the whole story. This man was a good father and husband and was just nervous about all that was going on. If Kaiser was a good hospital and had good staff they would have known to make him sit. And he would be with his family right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its funny how people just talk down on people when they dont even know the whole story. This man was a good father and husband and was just nervous about all that was going on. If Kaiser was a good hospital and had good staff they would have known to make him sit. And he would be with his family right now.</p>
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		<title>By: montana</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2005/07/man-faints-dies-after-seeing-epidural.html/comment-page-1#comment-63291</link>
		<dc:creator>montana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 20:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is my brother that everyone is talking about.This is uncalled for it should of never happen.He was a good dad it is little girl and he couldn&#039;t wait for his son  to get here.The hospital killed him all they wouldnt was the money they could of saved him.I live in montana when i had my kids my husband was sitting down when i got mine so if they would of had him sitting down and had more staff in there i would have my little brother here today and his kids would have a dad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is my brother that everyone is talking about.This is uncalled for it should of never happen.He was a good dad it is little girl and he couldn&#8217;t wait for his son  to get here.The hospital killed him all they wouldnt was the money they could of saved him.I live in montana when i had my kids my husband was sitting down when i got mine so if they would of had him sitting down and had more staff in there i would have my little brother here today and his kids would have a dad.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2005/07/man-faints-dies-after-seeing-epidural.html/comment-page-1#comment-57632</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s common--at least in SoCal hospitals--for a dad or other nonmedical support person to stand at the bedside, allowing the laboring woman to rest her head against the support person&#039;s chest. They aren&#039;t restraining her; rather, they are there to comofort her as she experineces contractions during the procedure or to calm her. The doc makes an effort to work with the laboring woman, timing the administration to be safe and expeditious. A doc wouldn&#039;t continue on with the administration of the epidural if the woman was moving enough to require restraining. If that dad saw the needle, he would have had to look over her shoulder at the work being done to her lower back. What happened was an unforseen tragedy and no one is liable. To suggest that family members should be prevented from attending what is a joyous event for the vast majority is an overreaction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s common&#8211;at least in SoCal hospitals&#8211;for a dad or other nonmedical support person to stand at the bedside, allowing the laboring woman to rest her head against the support person&#8217;s chest. They aren&#8217;t restraining her; rather, they are there to comofort her as she experineces contractions during the procedure or to calm her. The doc makes an effort to work with the laboring woman, timing the administration to be safe and expeditious. A doc wouldn&#8217;t continue on with the administration of the epidural if the woman was moving enough to require restraining. If that dad saw the needle, he would have had to look over her shoulder at the work being done to her lower back. What happened was an unforseen tragedy and no one is liable. To suggest that family members should be prevented from attending what is a joyous event for the vast majority is an overreaction.</p>
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		<title>By: Curious JD</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2005/07/man-faints-dies-after-seeing-epidural.html/comment-page-1#comment-54155</link>
		<dc:creator>Curious JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So if he had fallen in the waiting room when told &quot;you&#039;re a father&quot; and busted his head open, you&#039;re saying a lawyer wouldn&#039;t try to sue the hospital then?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Got a case in mind?  My guess is as usual you don&#039;t, Chicken Little.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;When are people going to grow up and take responsibility (for their actions and choices)&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Best argument against damage caps I&#039;ve ever seen.  Bravo!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So if he had fallen in the waiting room when told &#8220;you&#8217;re a father&#8221; and busted his head open, you&#8217;re saying a lawyer wouldn&#8217;t try to sue the hospital then?&#8221;</p>
<p>Got a case in mind?  My guess is as usual you don&#8217;t, Chicken Little.</p>
<p>&#8220;When are people going to grow up and take responsibility (for their actions and choices)&#8221;</p>
<p>Best argument against damage caps I&#8217;ve ever seen.  Bravo!!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2005/07/man-faints-dies-after-seeing-epidural.html/comment-page-1#comment-54147</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2005 07:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what&#039;s downright scary? Liawyers like CJD are actually &lt;i&gt;serious&lt;/i&gt; when they say things like: &quot;you know, the doctors may have committed medical malpractice when they failed to ascertain that a husband (who requested of his own volition to participate in his wife&#039;s childbirth)  had the necessary qualifications and certifications to &lt;i&gt;hold her&lt;/i&gt;.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This is so incredibly stupid and ridiculous it&#039;s not funny. When are people going to grow up and take responsibility (for their actions and choices) and accept that in life, unforseeable unfortunate things can happen?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what&#8217;s downright scary? Liawyers like CJD are actually <i>serious</i> when they say things like: &#8220;you know, the doctors may have committed medical malpractice when they failed to ascertain that a husband (who requested of his own volition to participate in his wife&#8217;s childbirth)  had the necessary qualifications and certifications to <i>hold her</i>.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is so incredibly stupid and ridiculous it&#8217;s not funny. When are people going to grow up and take responsibility (for their actions and choices) and accept that in life, unforseeable unfortunate things can happen?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2005 23:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the hospital probably couldn&#039;t afford holding help because they were spending too much of their budget on risk management legal advisors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the hospital probably couldn&#8217;t afford holding help because they were spending too much of their budget on risk management legal advisors.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2005 23:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So if he had fallen in the waiting room when told &quot;you&#039;re a father&quot; and busted his head open, you&#039;re saying a lawyer wouldn&#039;t try to sue the hospital then?  I&#039;ve had family members suffer syncope in treatment areas while I suture a patient, thank god none ever busted their heads open, I have enough malpractice risk from the 5,000 patient charts I sign a year. Where does it ever end?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if he had fallen in the waiting room when told &#8220;you&#8217;re a father&#8221; and busted his head open, you&#8217;re saying a lawyer wouldn&#8217;t try to sue the hospital then?  I&#8217;ve had family members suffer syncope in treatment areas while I suture a patient, thank god none ever busted their heads open, I have enough malpractice risk from the 5,000 patient charts I sign a year. Where does it ever end?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2005/07/man-faints-dies-after-seeing-epidural.html/comment-page-1#comment-54142</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2005 22:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GG,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think there are a number of questions to answer before determining who is at fault.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One, is asking him to hold her steady (not just comfort her, but actually assist them) while they inserted the epidural something hospital personnel should have been doing?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Two, if it is, was failing to ascertain if the father had the requisite skill to do so (in that situation) something they should have determined before asking him to do it?  If there had been a nurse in there to do it, you&#039;d know that the sight of the needle or blood wasn&#039;t going to faze her.  Is it forseeable that it might a layperson?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I don&#039;t know the answer, but based on the limited info we have, I&#039;d guess those were the theories of the case.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;CJD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GG,</p>
<p>I think there are a number of questions to answer before determining who is at fault.  </p>
<p>One, is asking him to hold her steady (not just comfort her, but actually assist them) while they inserted the epidural something hospital personnel should have been doing?</p>
<p>Two, if it is, was failing to ascertain if the father had the requisite skill to do so (in that situation) something they should have determined before asking him to do it?  If there had been a nurse in there to do it, you&#8217;d know that the sight of the needle or blood wasn&#8217;t going to faze her.  Is it forseeable that it might a layperson?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know the answer, but based on the limited info we have, I&#8217;d guess those were the theories of the case.</p>
<p>CJD</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But I&#039;m not convinced she has a case against the hospital.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;LOL. In America, she&#039;d have a case if the color of the walls gave her husband a headache.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But I&#8217;m not convinced she has a case against the hospital.</i></p>
<p>LOL. In America, she&#8217;d have a case if the color of the walls gave her husband a headache.</p>
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