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	<title>Comments on: &quot;I practiced defensive medicine today&quot; 4</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 16:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s my take on the whole defensive medicine argument.  You&#039;re willing to risk your patient&#039;s eyesight in the event that your phone diagnosis is wrong.  You&#039;re just not willing to risk your own financial health.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s my take on the whole defensive medicine argument.  You&#8217;re willing to risk your patient&#8217;s eyesight in the event that your phone diagnosis is wrong.  You&#8217;re just not willing to risk your own financial health.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a better way. Have one expert for both sides with questions submitted in advance and a screening process to get the right expert which can be agreed upon by both sides. Neither side gets to &#039;PREP&#039;  the expert and guess what lying would be kept to a minimun and many cases would never be filed. Heres another idea loser pays. How about one more? No contingency fees. You know the US is the only country with contingency fees?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a better way. Have one expert for both sides with questions submitted in advance and a screening process to get the right expert which can be agreed upon by both sides. Neither side gets to &#8216;PREP&#8217;  the expert and guess what lying would be kept to a minimun and many cases would never be filed. Heres another idea loser pays. How about one more? No contingency fees. You know the US is the only country with contingency fees?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2005 13:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In case anyone wants some insight from a partner in medical malpractice defense in NYC...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;More than 50% of malpractice is caused by less than 1% of doctors.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Medical malpractice insurance is primarily set to go up or down with the stockmarket because insurance payments are invested.  Low stock market = higher insurance rates.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If we could get rid of lousy doctors and have a robust stock market, insurance would certainly be manageable.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That said, defensive medicine certainly has some relationship to insurance rates.  The important question is whether this is right.  The problem with treating over the phone is that there is always a chance of misdiagnosis.  If you think the patient should accept this slim risk, this would lower insurance rates a little bit.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;On another note, yes there are many frivilous law suits.  They rarely, if ever, succeed.  My firm frequently sees them and frequently gets them dismissed.  This still costs several thousands $ though and I can understand doctors frustration with this, but to suggest that frivolous lawsuits dominate is a gross exaggeration.  I personally can see no better way to do things...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Just my thoughts...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case anyone wants some insight from a partner in medical malpractice defense in NYC&#8230;</p>
<p>More than 50% of malpractice is caused by less than 1% of doctors.</p>
<p>Medical malpractice insurance is primarily set to go up or down with the stockmarket because insurance payments are invested.  Low stock market = higher insurance rates.</p>
<p>If we could get rid of lousy doctors and have a robust stock market, insurance would certainly be manageable.</p>
<p>That said, defensive medicine certainly has some relationship to insurance rates.  The important question is whether this is right.  The problem with treating over the phone is that there is always a chance of misdiagnosis.  If you think the patient should accept this slim risk, this would lower insurance rates a little bit.</p>
<p>On another note, yes there are many frivilous law suits.  They rarely, if ever, succeed.  My firm frequently sees them and frequently gets them dismissed.  This still costs several thousands $ though and I can understand doctors frustration with this, but to suggest that frivolous lawsuits dominate is a gross exaggeration.  I personally can see no better way to do things&#8230;</p>
<p>Just my thoughts&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rich, MD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich, MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2005 03:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an Internist, I&#039;ll make three observations: &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;1) I never treat eye disorders sight-unseen. On several occasions I have agreed to meet patients in the hospital er or lobby to examine the eye - the no- show rate on these meetings was 50%.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;2) The delivery 30 years ago also may have been aided by the use of amnestic medications, which are no longer used today (and may be harmful)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;3) If I call my attorney on the phone and ask for and receive advice over the phone, do I not get a bill?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Rich, MD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an Internist, I&#8217;ll make three observations: </p>
<p>1) I never treat eye disorders sight-unseen. On several occasions I have agreed to meet patients in the hospital er or lobby to examine the eye &#8211; the no- show rate on these meetings was 50%.</p>
<p>2) The delivery 30 years ago also may have been aided by the use of amnestic medications, which are no longer used today (and may be harmful)</p>
<p>3) If I call my attorney on the phone and ask for and receive advice over the phone, do I not get a bill?</p>
<p>Rich, MD</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 19:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;How come when my mom had me 30  years ago she felt nothing and &lt;br/&gt;remembered nothing after getting a simple IV in her arm&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;IANAO&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;(I am not an obstetrician, just a psychiatrist) not even an American rather a curious observer from across the Atlantic.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There are many possible explanations.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;1) Were you a smaller baby than your child? It is my understanding that babies are getting heavier on average.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;2) Was your mother a bigger woman than your wife?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;3) Differences in the anatomy of the  pelvis between your wife and your mother?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;4) Different age and parity status.  Was this your wife&#039;s first baby and your your mother&#039;s 2nd or 3rd? Maternal age at first baby rising in some Western countries.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;5) Recall bias.  You weren&#039;t there (in an observational sense) at your own birth.  Your mother&#039;s generation probably more stoical than ours.  It could have been bloody awful for her.  She might not have wanted to make you feel bad.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;6) Bad luck. **it happens.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;These are a range of alternatives to the implicit &quot;doctors are getting more incompetent&quot; hypothesis you advance.  That&#039;s not to say your hypothesis is not correct, just that  your study design is flawed.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My understanding of the stats in this area (hazy at best) is that, this side of the pond anyway, there has been no steady rise in maternal mortality and morbidity as your hypothesis would predict.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Best wishes&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Fionn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How come when my mom had me 30  years ago she felt nothing and <br />remembered nothing after getting a simple IV in her arm&#8221;</p>
<p>IANAO</p>
<p>(I am not an obstetrician, just a psychiatrist) not even an American rather a curious observer from across the Atlantic.</p>
<p>There are many possible explanations.</p>
<p>1) Were you a smaller baby than your child? It is my understanding that babies are getting heavier on average.</p>
<p>2) Was your mother a bigger woman than your wife?</p>
<p>3) Differences in the anatomy of the  pelvis between your wife and your mother?</p>
<p>4) Different age and parity status.  Was this your wife&#8217;s first baby and your your mother&#8217;s 2nd or 3rd? Maternal age at first baby rising in some Western countries.</p>
<p>5) Recall bias.  You weren&#8217;t there (in an observational sense) at your own birth.  Your mother&#8217;s generation probably more stoical than ours.  It could have been bloody awful for her.  She might not have wanted to make you feel bad.</p>
<p>6) Bad luck. **it happens.</p>
<p>These are a range of alternatives to the implicit &#8220;doctors are getting more incompetent&#8221; hypothesis you advance.  That&#8217;s not to say your hypothesis is not correct, just that  your study design is flawed.</p>
<p>My understanding of the stats in this area (hazy at best) is that, this side of the pond anyway, there has been no steady rise in maternal mortality and morbidity as your hypothesis would predict.</p>
<p>Best wishes</p>
<p>Fionn</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 03:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How come when my mom had me 30 years ago she felt nothing and remembered nothing after getting a simple IV in her arm, but last week when my wife gave birth it was like a medieval torture chamber and the incompetent medical staff could not get the epidural or anything else to work--trying several different chemicals.  She suffered SEVERE pain for over an hour, and I suffered the very real fear that she might bleed to death due to them not being able to sew her up--and these things are compensable.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;-Doc T. Rsardum</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How come when my mom had me 30 years ago she felt nothing and remembered nothing after getting a simple IV in her arm, but last week when my wife gave birth it was like a medieval torture chamber and the incompetent medical staff could not get the epidural or anything else to work&#8211;trying several different chemicals.  She suffered SEVERE pain for over an hour, and I suffered the very real fear that she might bleed to death due to them not being able to sew her up&#8211;and these things are compensable.</p>
<p>-Doc T. Rsardum</p>
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		<title>By: Medical Spas Online</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2005/06/i-practiced-defensive-medicine-today-4.html/comment-page-1#comment-53435</link>
		<dc:creator>Medical Spas Online</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2005 05:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops. The link to the article:http://www.medpagetoday.com/tbindex1.cfm?tbid=1130&amp;topicid=61</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops. The link to the article:http://www.medpagetoday.com/tbindex1.cfm?tbid=1130&#038;topicid=61</p>
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		<title>By: Medical Spas Online</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2005/06/i-practiced-defensive-medicine-today-4.html/comment-page-1#comment-53434</link>
		<dc:creator>Medical Spas Online</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2005 05:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Among the findings of the survey:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;    * 59% of respondents said they ordered unnecessary diagnostic tests -- most often imaging studies. Seventy percent of emergency physicians said they ordered unnecessary scans.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;    * 52% of all physicians said they referred patients when referrals were not medically necessary.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;    * A third of physicians said they prescribed drugs that weren&#039;t medically necessary, and the same percentage said they performed unnecessary invasive procedures.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;    * Breast cancer was a particular target for defensive medicine, with radiologists either referring questionable results for biopsy or refusing to perform mammograms altogether.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;    * There was no link between physicians&#039; actual experience of litigation and their practice of defensive medicine, but physicians who lacked &quot;confidence in their liability insurance&quot; and those who expressed concern about the financial burden of insurance premiums were more likely to practice defensive medicine.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;    * Physicians are more likely to refuse care to workers&#039; compensation patients and obese patients, both groups perceived as potentially litigious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Among the findings of the survey:</p>
<p>    * 59% of respondents said they ordered unnecessary diagnostic tests &#8212; most often imaging studies. Seventy percent of emergency physicians said they ordered unnecessary scans.</p>
<p>    * 52% of all physicians said they referred patients when referrals were not medically necessary.</p>
<p>    * A third of physicians said they prescribed drugs that weren&#8217;t medically necessary, and the same percentage said they performed unnecessary invasive procedures.</p>
<p>    * Breast cancer was a particular target for defensive medicine, with radiologists either referring questionable results for biopsy or refusing to perform mammograms altogether.</p>
<p>    * There was no link between physicians&#8217; actual experience of litigation and their practice of defensive medicine, but physicians who lacked &#8220;confidence in their liability insurance&#8221; and those who expressed concern about the financial burden of insurance premiums were more likely to practice defensive medicine.</p>
<p>    * Physicians are more likely to refuse care to workers&#8217; compensation patients and obese patients, both groups perceived as potentially litigious.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2005 02:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes I have!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes I have!</p>
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		<title>By: Curious JD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curious JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, whatever you say.  I know you&#039;ve done some exhaustive research on all suits filed and are very qualified to judge the &quot;frivolous&quot; ones from the &quot;non-frivolous&quot; ones.  You know how many were filed each year, how much they were settled for, the injuries involved and the treatment given, the average amount of the verdicts, etc.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And what&#039;s more, that you know exactly how much your insurer has paid out over the last decade and how much it has collected, as well as what it&#039;s investment income was, whether it made intelligent financial decisions, etc.  And of course, what its overhead is, and how much that will be reduced and how much of those savings will be passed on to you, not to mention the consumer, now that you have &quot;reform.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And of course, you&#039;ve also measured the societal benefit by determining exactly how many physicians will return to these places as well as how many left, exactly how much and for how long rates will decrease, and how much your insurer is going to save?  And of course, how these savings will be passed on to society in the form of lower health care costs?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I know you&#039;ve done that kind of rigorous analysis, because otherwise, you would never make such vague and unsupportable statements, correct?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But of course you have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, whatever you say.  I know you&#8217;ve done some exhaustive research on all suits filed and are very qualified to judge the &#8220;frivolous&#8221; ones from the &#8220;non-frivolous&#8221; ones.  You know how many were filed each year, how much they were settled for, the injuries involved and the treatment given, the average amount of the verdicts, etc.</p>
<p>And what&#8217;s more, that you know exactly how much your insurer has paid out over the last decade and how much it has collected, as well as what it&#8217;s investment income was, whether it made intelligent financial decisions, etc.  And of course, what its overhead is, and how much that will be reduced and how much of those savings will be passed on to you, not to mention the consumer, now that you have &#8220;reform.&#8221;</p>
<p>And of course, you&#8217;ve also measured the societal benefit by determining exactly how many physicians will return to these places as well as how many left, exactly how much and for how long rates will decrease, and how much your insurer is going to save?  And of course, how these savings will be passed on to society in the form of lower health care costs?</p>
<p>I know you&#8217;ve done that kind of rigorous analysis, because otherwise, you would never make such vague and unsupportable statements, correct?</p>
<p>But of course you have.</p>
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