<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Patients sue Trover Clinic Foundation doctors, then ask for their help</title> <atom:link href="http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2005/05/patients-sue-trover-clinic-foundation-doctors.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2005/05/patients-sue-trover-clinic-foundation-doctors.html</link> <description></description> <lastBuildDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:27:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: chey_one</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2005/05/patients-sue-trover-clinic-foundation-doctors.html#comment-67164</link> <dc:creator>chey_one</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:18:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2005/05/18247.html#comment-67164</guid> <description>In reading again the original post that led to this discussion - the heading was &quot;Wanting it both ways:  We sued you, but we still need you&quot; is a bit misleading as is the previous posting.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Yes, we sued the radiologist and the Foundation.  Yes we still need you.  But you must consider the reasons.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The radiologist was sued because ... well that issue speaks for itself.  The Foundation was sued because of the cover up that followed.  Eventually the minutes of the (inhouse) medical review were obtained and the disclosures prove the Foundation knew the problem yet ignored it for a long time.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We need you ... yes.  We do need you.  We need local care in a rural area. We need you because the old saying is so true - &quot;one bad apple does not spoil the whole bunch&quot;.  There are many excellent physicans practicing in the walls of this Foundation.  And they deserve our respect, our patronage, and our dollars.  They, like many of you, are the essence of the oath.  The *other* one doctor in particular deserves none of that.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I agree too that you must stand up for what is right.  I applaud those of you that do.  YOU are the best of your chosen profession.&lt;br/&gt;Thank you.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reading again the original post that led to this discussion &#8211; the heading was &#8220;Wanting it both ways:  We sued you, but we still need you&#8221; is a bit misleading as is the previous posting.</p><p>Yes, we sued the radiologist and the Foundation.  Yes we still need you.  But you must consider the reasons.</p><p>The radiologist was sued because &#8230; well that issue speaks for itself.  The Foundation was sued because of the cover up that followed.  Eventually the minutes of the (inhouse) medical review were obtained and the disclosures prove the Foundation knew the problem yet ignored it for a long time.</p><p>We need you &#8230; yes.  We do need you.  We need local care in a rural area. We need you because the old saying is so true &#8211; &#8220;one bad apple does not spoil the whole bunch&#8221;.  There are many excellent physicans practicing in the walls of this Foundation.  And they deserve our respect, our patronage, and our dollars.  They, like many of you, are the essence of the oath.  The *other* one doctor in particular deserves none of that.</p><p>I agree too that you must stand up for what is right.  I applaud those of you that do.  YOU are the best of your chosen profession.<br />Thank you.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2005/05/patients-sue-trover-clinic-foundation-doctors.html#comment-66216</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:15:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2005/05/18247.html#comment-66216</guid> <description>According to public records Tyler Hammond sued his physicians at St. Louis Children&#039;s Hospital claiming negligent care when, during teh course of his liver transplantation, an IV tube leaked some fluid under his skin, causing a small chemical burn.  This later was treated with a skin graft leaving a 2 cm area visible where the accident happened.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Tyler, then age 2 now 10, through his lawyer asked for more than 6 million dollars in compensation for this injury.  All the while this litigation was going on he continued to recieve his care from the very physicians named in his lawsuit.  We continued to provide his care because we felt that ultimately were this to go to trial that showing that Tyler and his mother continuing to choose us over all others was in stark contrast to the inflammatory language of the lawsuit documents.  Eventually his lawyer dropped the case after costing us thousands of dollars and dozens of hours in deposition.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Tyler continues to receive his care from the same hospital and physicians he (his mother) believe greivously injured him.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to public records Tyler Hammond sued his physicians at St. Louis Children&#8217;s Hospital claiming negligent care when, during teh course of his liver transplantation, an IV tube leaked some fluid under his skin, causing a small chemical burn.  This later was treated with a skin graft leaving a 2 cm area visible where the accident happened.</p><p>Tyler, then age 2 now 10, through his lawyer asked for more than 6 million dollars in compensation for this injury.  All the while this litigation was going on he continued to recieve his care from the very physicians named in his lawsuit.  We continued to provide his care because we felt that ultimately were this to go to trial that showing that Tyler and his mother continuing to choose us over all others was in stark contrast to the inflammatory language of the lawsuit documents.  Eventually his lawyer dropped the case after costing us thousands of dollars and dozens of hours in deposition.</p><p>Tyler continues to receive his care from the same hospital and physicians he (his mother) believe greivously injured him.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Elizabeth</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2005/05/patients-sue-trover-clinic-foundation-doctors.html#comment-66176</link> <dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:02:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2005/05/18247.html#comment-66176</guid> <description>Imprecise science / art or whatever, there are standards of care that we must follow in treating patients. If we, as health professionals, did a better job of weeding out incompetents the &quot;litigation crisis&quot; would not exist. Some are better off in academic health professions, some are better in practice, some should not be in the health professions at all. I&#039;ve seen some ridiculously frivolous claims by patients who were sure they had a claim, but I&#039;ve also seen the cases in which the standard of care was not followed and as a direct result a patient was injured or died. I look at it similarly to a speeding ticket. If I don&#039;t follow the speed limit (standard of care), regardless of the reason or excuse, I&#039;ll get fined. I may &quot;get away with it&quot; 9 times out of 10, but that 10th time I&#039;ll have a big fine. If our colleagues don&#039;t &quot;play by the rules,&quot; and we don&#039;t take them to task about it, then we all get &quot;hit&quot; with the increased insurance rates - just like we all are when too many people in our area are getting too many speeding tickets and having too many wrecks. That&#039;s just the way insurance companies work. If we want lower insurance rates, we need to &quot;police&quot; ourselves **and** our colleagues who contribute to those rates. That includes raising heck at hospital board meetings when there is substandard care or management in any hospital department - nursing, radiology, medicine, whathaveyou. If we don&#039;t take hold of the situation from within, we deserve what we get.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imprecise science / art or whatever, there are standards of care that we must follow in treating patients. If we, as health professionals, did a better job of weeding out incompetents the &#8220;litigation crisis&#8221; would not exist. Some are better off in academic health professions, some are better in practice, some should not be in the health professions at all. I&#8217;ve seen some ridiculously frivolous claims by patients who were sure they had a claim, but I&#8217;ve also seen the cases in which the standard of care was not followed and as a direct result a patient was injured or died. I look at it similarly to a speeding ticket. If I don&#8217;t follow the speed limit (standard of care), regardless of the reason or excuse, I&#8217;ll get fined. I may &#8220;get away with it&#8221; 9 times out of 10, but that 10th time I&#8217;ll have a big fine. If our colleagues don&#8217;t &#8220;play by the rules,&#8221; and we don&#8217;t take them to task about it, then we all get &#8220;hit&#8221; with the increased insurance rates &#8211; just like we all are when too many people in our area are getting too many speeding tickets and having too many wrecks. That&#8217;s just the way insurance companies work. If we want lower insurance rates, we need to &#8220;police&#8221; ourselves **and** our colleagues who contribute to those rates. That includes raising heck at hospital board meetings when there is substandard care or management in any hospital department &#8211; nursing, radiology, medicine, whathaveyou. If we don&#8217;t take hold of the situation from within, we deserve what we get.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Editor, Medical Spas Online</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2005/05/patients-sue-trover-clinic-foundation-doctors.html#comment-66166</link> <dc:creator>Editor, Medical Spas Online</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 20:47:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2005/05/18247.html#comment-66166</guid> <description>Why kill the goose. If they win the suit, they win. If they loose the suit, they can sue because they received substandard care because of the suit. Nice.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why kill the goose. If they win the suit, they win. If they loose the suit, they can sue because they received substandard care because of the suit. Nice.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2005/05/patients-sue-trover-clinic-foundation-doctors.html#comment-66160</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:27:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2005/05/18247.html#comment-66160</guid> <description>How about when a radiologist grabs the wrong two x-rays from the jacket and compares two x-rays taken 20 minutes apart instead of the proper comparison of x-rays taken six days apart. Then he writes his report saying there is no change (of course) when if he had read the correct x-rays, it would have shown a raging change and severe pneumonia. Is that just a bad outcome? Then the pulmonologist says he agrees with the radiologist and says he too read the x-rays and sends the elderly patient home with severe pneumonia. The patient dies a horrible death on a respirator and the patient&#039;s family sues. Now the pulmonologist refuses to treat the attorney&#039;s father and has threatened to have the entire family thrown out of the clinic. He says the attorney is a criminal and the patient&#039;s family is crazy. Well, I say hoorah because the doctor is a flaming incompetent ass who should not be allowed to treat anything. I say, patients and fellow doctors need to weed these crummy doctors out and instead of them saying they won&#039;t treat us, we need to tell them that they are not fit to treat us. There are too many substandard doctors out there that are protected by their fellow docs and defended to the hilt by the insurance companies.They just need to clean house! If you put garbage in... you&#039;re going to get a bad outcome!!!!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about when a radiologist grabs the wrong two x-rays from the jacket and compares two x-rays taken 20 minutes apart instead of the proper comparison of x-rays taken six days apart. Then he writes his report saying there is no change (of course) when if he had read the correct x-rays, it would have shown a raging change and severe pneumonia. Is that just a bad outcome? Then the pulmonologist says he agrees with the radiologist and says he too read the x-rays and sends the elderly patient home with severe pneumonia. The patient dies a horrible death on a respirator and the patient&#8217;s family sues. Now the pulmonologist refuses to treat the attorney&#8217;s father and has threatened to have the entire family thrown out of the clinic. He says the attorney is a criminal and the patient&#8217;s family is crazy. Well, I say hoorah because the doctor is a flaming incompetent ass who should not be allowed to treat anything. I say, patients and fellow doctors need to weed these crummy doctors out and instead of them saying they won&#8217;t treat us, we need to tell them that they are not fit to treat us. There are too many substandard doctors out there that are protected by their fellow docs and defended to the hilt by the insurance companies.They just need to clean house! If you put garbage in&#8230; you&#8217;re going to get a bad outcome!!!!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2005/05/patients-sue-trover-clinic-foundation-doctors.html#comment-66159</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 10:13:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2005/05/18247.html#comment-66159</guid> <description>Curious JD,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I am looking forward to the situation when a client sues you because he got, surprisingly, the death penalty instead of life imprisonment, in a case where the &quot;standard of care&quot; is the latter. ;)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Would you be so arrogant in a situation like that? Would you condemn so easily the imperfections of any imprecise science, such as medicine or justice?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Most lawsuits we call frivolous are the equivalent of a client suing an attorney because he got 12 months instead of the 9 he expected, based on his idea of justice.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curious JD,</p><p>I am looking forward to the situation when a client sues you because he got, surprisingly, the death penalty instead of life imprisonment, in a case where the &#8220;standard of care&#8221; is the latter. <img src="http://cdn2.kevinmd.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif?e8bd46" alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p><p>Would you be so arrogant in a situation like that? Would you condemn so easily the imperfections of any imprecise science, such as medicine or justice?</p><p>Most lawsuits we call frivolous are the equivalent of a client suing an attorney because he got 12 months instead of the 9 he expected, based on his idea of justice.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: chey_one</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2005/05/patients-sue-trover-clinic-foundation-doctors.html#comment-64964</link> <dc:creator>chey_one</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 02:29:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2005/05/18247.html#comment-64964</guid> <description>Let me introduce myself - I am one of the patients that has filed suit in this case.  I trusted Trover Foundation to employ the highest calibur of persons in the medical field - as had always been my prior experience - with them.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;After reading this thread, I realize those of you posting here truly know very little of the &quot;facts&quot; as they exist.  The KY Medical Association found that this doctor &quot;proved an immediate threat to his patients&quot; and revolked his license.  Granted he has since regained them but only with certain qualifying conditions.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Missed cancers?  You bet.  Death due to misreadings?  Yes Sir.  Emotional trauma to those of us affected?  Absolutely.  My entire life has changed.  As has the life of many others in this suit.  I have gotten to know several of them through the course of this ordeal.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Are you aware there was a peer review prior to his dismissal.  Amazing what was brought to their attention by his peers.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;An ambulance chasing attorney?  I&#039;m sure those do exist.  But that is not the case in this matter.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Lives have been destroyed.  Not just patients lives - but our families lives.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Compensation is not of issue here.  In fact - when initially discussing my situation with the attorney - he knew it wasn&#039;t about money for me.  No amount of money can ever replace what was taken from me and my family.  It&#039;s about putting a stop to this doctor (I use that term only because I must) before he wrecks more lives.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me introduce myself &#8211; I am one of the patients that has filed suit in this case.  I trusted Trover Foundation to employ the highest calibur of persons in the medical field &#8211; as had always been my prior experience &#8211; with them.</p><p>After reading this thread, I realize those of you posting here truly know very little of the &#8220;facts&#8221; as they exist.  The KY Medical Association found that this doctor &#8220;proved an immediate threat to his patients&#8221; and revolked his license.  Granted he has since regained them but only with certain qualifying conditions.</p><p>Missed cancers?  You bet.  Death due to misreadings?  Yes Sir.  Emotional trauma to those of us affected?  Absolutely.  My entire life has changed.  As has the life of many others in this suit.  I have gotten to know several of them through the course of this ordeal.</p><p>Are you aware there was a peer review prior to his dismissal.  Amazing what was brought to their attention by his peers.</p><p>An ambulance chasing attorney?  I&#8217;m sure those do exist.  But that is not the case in this matter.</p><p>Lives have been destroyed.  Not just patients lives &#8211; but our families lives.</p><p>Compensation is not of issue here.  In fact &#8211; when initially discussing my situation with the attorney &#8211; he knew it wasn&#8217;t about money for me.  No amount of money can ever replace what was taken from me and my family.  It&#8217;s about putting a stop to this doctor (I use that term only because I must) before he wrecks more lives.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Curious JD</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2005/05/patients-sue-trover-clinic-foundation-doctors.html#comment-52926</link> <dc:creator>Curious JD</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2005 22:30:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2005/05/18247.html#comment-52926</guid> <description>Anonymous, do you write for the Onion?  You must.  I can only assume you&#039;re being facetious.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;s like you never read what I&#039;ve written, merely what you want it to be.  Which I guess is the preferred method for winning arguments when you don&#039;t know what you&#039;re talking about.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Of course, there&#039;s no telling what you&#039;ve said in any of the previous posts, because you&#039;re too cowardly to even give a pseudonym.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous, do you write for the Onion?  You must.  I can only assume you&#8217;re being facetious.</p><p>It&#8217;s like you never read what I&#8217;ve written, merely what you want it to be.  Which I guess is the preferred method for winning arguments when you don&#8217;t know what you&#8217;re talking about.</p><p>Of course, there&#8217;s no telling what you&#8217;ve said in any of the previous posts, because you&#8217;re too cowardly to even give a pseudonym.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2005/05/patients-sue-trover-clinic-foundation-doctors.html#comment-52742</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2005 08:04:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2005/05/18247.html#comment-52742</guid> <description>&lt;b&gt;Curious JD&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This is rude of me, and I don&#039;t wish to say it, but you are being truly - &lt;i&gt;incredibly&lt;/i&gt; - dense. It&#039;s a little scary to think that you might be a practising lawyer.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;1. Once more, you repeat your pattern of never responding intelligently to an argument, but flit from one issue to another after being defeated at each.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In your latest post, you again fail to acknowledge that you were wrong to deny that large numbers of doctors get indiscriminately sued when they are completely and totally innocent of wrongdoing. Or, if despite the overwhelming factual evidence you still feel you are correct, to offer any sort of defense for your position.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;2. Lets see where little JD has traipsed to now, shall we? He&#039;s now flitted on to yammer incoherently about &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;a. tort reform and its perceived weaknesses,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;b. why we should never critique studies but accept all of them&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;c. an astonishingly naive fantasy of how physicians perceive themselves.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In responding, I&#039;d note the following:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;1. Nowhere in this thread, not once, have I made claims about the desirability or otherwise of tort reform. Yet we have the following tirade from Ms.Panties-in-a-bunch:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt;How about the fact that the nation&#039;s largest med mal insurer said that caps on noneconomic damages would affect at most 1% of their losses. Not a study, but DIRECT FROM THE HORSE&#039;S MOUTH... What&#039;s your opinion on that? I mean, the centerpiece of your &quot;cure&quot; for this &quot;crisis&quot; has no effect? How&#039;s that grab you?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Well, for starters, it leads me to believe I&#039;m wasting my time arguing with a particularly dull fellow - I never said anything like what you ascribe to me. Secondly, since you&#039;ve now asked what I think of it, I do not think tort reform is a perfect solution to the med mal crisis. The crisis faced by doctors, and the larger problem of errors in health care delivery, is exceptionally complex and multifactorial such that any one measure (particularly one that is meant to provide symptomatic relief) will not completely obliterate the problems.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;However, I do believe that tort reform can definitely be part of the solution, and the available data clearly show, on balance, that it can work. The actual data from capped states is pretty conclusive. By the way, your naivete is charming: data counts for infinitely more than claims, whoever’s mouth it came from. Folks in medicine have learnt to respect that rule.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The thing I do not like about the type of tort reforms frequently proposed is that there is a small number of plaintiffs who might be paid less than they should be paid. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;A large part of that problem of course is that trial lawyers demand such an exorbitant portion of the indemnity payment. (It’s really quite shocking when you look at what they charge - I don’t think there is a single profession on earth that is as greedy. The tired excuse trotted out is that they only get paid when they win, but as a principle that’s pretty disgusting since they are basically garnishing all their money from the very people who actually may have been genuinely harmed, and secondly even then there is no justification for the exorbitant percentages - up to 50%!!)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But the system we currently have is even worse than a tort-reformed scenario - it harms a lot more people in terrible ways. Leave alone the doctors, huge numbers of whom are 100% completely blameless. A bigger problem is the shocking effect the current system has had on the practice of medicine and the health care system in general. There is huge wastage, loss of life, loss of health. Where we are at now is the worst possible scenario, and even tort reform, imperfect as it is, will be better.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Finally, in your last paragraph you go completely bonkers. I never said any of those things. I understand you must feel bad at being repeatedly owned, as the kids say, but really, you can’t expect people to take you seriously in a discussion when you behave like a raving lunatic.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Curious JD</b></p><p>This is rude of me, and I don&#8217;t wish to say it, but you are being truly &#8211; <i>incredibly</i> &#8211; dense. It&#8217;s a little scary to think that you might be a practising lawyer.</p><p>1. Once more, you repeat your pattern of never responding intelligently to an argument, but flit from one issue to another after being defeated at each.</p><p>In your latest post, you again fail to acknowledge that you were wrong to deny that large numbers of doctors get indiscriminately sued when they are completely and totally innocent of wrongdoing. Or, if despite the overwhelming factual evidence you still feel you are correct, to offer any sort of defense for your position.</p><p>2. Lets see where little JD has traipsed to now, shall we? He&#8217;s now flitted on to yammer incoherently about</p><p>a. tort reform and its perceived weaknesses,</p><p>b. why we should never critique studies but accept all of them</p><p>c. an astonishingly naive fantasy of how physicians perceive themselves.</p><p>In responding, I&#8217;d note the following:</p><p>1. Nowhere in this thread, not once, have I made claims about the desirability or otherwise of tort reform. Yet we have the following tirade from Ms.Panties-in-a-bunch:</p><p><i>How about the fact that the nation&#8217;s largest med mal insurer said that caps on noneconomic damages would affect at most 1% of their losses. Not a study, but DIRECT FROM THE HORSE&#8217;S MOUTH&#8230; What&#8217;s your opinion on that? I mean, the centerpiece of your &#8220;cure&#8221; for this &#8220;crisis&#8221; has no effect? How&#8217;s that grab you?</i></p><p>Well, for starters, it leads me to believe I&#8217;m wasting my time arguing with a particularly dull fellow &#8211; I never said anything like what you ascribe to me. Secondly, since you&#8217;ve now asked what I think of it, I do not think tort reform is a perfect solution to the med mal crisis. The crisis faced by doctors, and the larger problem of errors in health care delivery, is exceptionally complex and multifactorial such that any one measure (particularly one that is meant to provide symptomatic relief) will not completely obliterate the problems.</p><p>However, I do believe that tort reform can definitely be part of the solution, and the available data clearly show, on balance, that it can work. The actual data from capped states is pretty conclusive. By the way, your naivete is charming: data counts for infinitely more than claims, whoever’s mouth it came from. Folks in medicine have learnt to respect that rule.</p><p>The thing I do not like about the type of tort reforms frequently proposed is that there is a small number of plaintiffs who might be paid less than they should be paid.</p><p>A large part of that problem of course is that trial lawyers demand such an exorbitant portion of the indemnity payment. (It’s really quite shocking when you look at what they charge &#8211; I don’t think there is a single profession on earth that is as greedy. The tired excuse trotted out is that they only get paid when they win, but as a principle that’s pretty disgusting since they are basically garnishing all their money from the very people who actually may have been genuinely harmed, and secondly even then there is no justification for the exorbitant percentages &#8211; up to 50%!!)</p><p>But the system we currently have is even worse than a tort-reformed scenario &#8211; it harms a lot more people in terrible ways. Leave alone the doctors, huge numbers of whom are 100% completely blameless. A bigger problem is the shocking effect the current system has had on the practice of medicine and the health care system in general. There is huge wastage, loss of life, loss of health. Where we are at now is the worst possible scenario, and even tort reform, imperfect as it is, will be better.</p><p>Finally, in your last paragraph you go completely bonkers. I never said any of those things. I understand you must feel bad at being repeatedly owned, as the kids say, but really, you can’t expect people to take you seriously in a discussion when you behave like a raving lunatic.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Curious JD</title><link>http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2005/05/patients-sue-trover-clinic-foundation-doctors.html#comment-52732</link> <dc:creator>Curious JD</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2005 03:45:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://clients.emmense.com/kevinmd/2005/05/18247.html#comment-52732</guid> <description>I guess I missed your Harvard study, sunshine.  Got a link?  I&#039;d be glad to discuss it with you.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Ever note how you pick some studies to believe and some not to believe?  For example, there&#039;s a study from NYU, I believe, which shows that tort reform has no effect on alleged &quot;defensive medicine.&quot;  Do you believe that one?  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;How about the fact that the nation&#039;s largest med mal insurer said that caps on noneconomic damages would affect at most 1% of their losses.  Not a study, but DIRECT FROM THE HORSE&#039;S MOUTH.  You can find it by Googling GE Medical Protective and Texas and &quot;tort reform.&quot;  What&#039;s your opinion on that?  I mean, the centerpiece of your &quot;cure&quot; for this &quot;crisis&quot; has no effect?  How&#039;s that grab you? &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So basically, you&#039;re saying that there is no standard we can or should hold physicians to?  What a job.  Get paid more than any other profession, never admit a mistake, never have any professional standard for your work, and if you do screw up, you&#039;re only paying someone under 2 year&#039;s salary for a lifetime of pain and suffering.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Good work if you can get it.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I missed your Harvard study, sunshine.  Got a link?  I&#8217;d be glad to discuss it with you.</p><p>Ever note how you pick some studies to believe and some not to believe?  For example, there&#8217;s a study from NYU, I believe, which shows that tort reform has no effect on alleged &#8220;defensive medicine.&#8221;  Do you believe that one?</p><p>How about the fact that the nation&#8217;s largest med mal insurer said that caps on noneconomic damages would affect at most 1% of their losses.  Not a study, but DIRECT FROM THE HORSE&#8217;S MOUTH.  You can find it by Googling GE Medical Protective and Texas and &#8220;tort reform.&#8221;  What&#8217;s your opinion on that?  I mean, the centerpiece of your &#8220;cure&#8221; for this &#8220;crisis&#8221; has no effect?  How&#8217;s that grab you?</p><p>So basically, you&#8217;re saying that there is no standard we can or should hold physicians to?  What a job.  Get paid more than any other profession, never admit a mistake, never have any professional standard for your work, and if you do screw up, you&#8217;re only paying someone under 2 year&#8217;s salary for a lifetime of pain and suffering.</p><p>Good work if you can get it.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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